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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimandi's Perm View Post
    Don't knock it till you've tried it.
    Do you just shut your eyes and pretend it's someone else doing it to you?
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LDG View Post
    Do you just shut your eyes and pretend it's someone else doing it to you?
    lol, no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann View Post
    My feeling is that Carl Sagan is probably off in the Summer, most likely to City, and this is just the opening gambit of the usual 'I want a transfer without losing my loyalty bonus' dance.

    From Arsenal's point of view, he fits the profile. 29, and his stock is high. He'll have 1 year left and the number of games he missed with injury last season, albeit with impact injuries, probably will inform that descision too. Any new contract will involve rising wages for diminishing returns - at least that's the rationale behind the over 30's policy. Like Van Persie, this looks like the perfect time to cash in.

    From Sanga's point of view, this is also the perfect time to cash in. I don't doubt he wants to win things, but would he take a pay cut to do so? Does the Pope shit on bears? No.

    He is a fantastic right back, one I would happily keep at the club till 32-33. So losing him would be another gutpunch to the team and the fans. But this is the reality. Doesn't matter how much they pose in 'Number 1 Fan' shirts, or talk about Spurs as 'the enemy'. Players don't love the club in the same way as we do, and they won't stay because of it.

    For the record, I don't like what Saang has done. It's not 'honesty' to say whatever you feel.
    Honesty is facing up to the situation, it's attending to your responsibilities. He agreed to accept large amounts of money in exchange for certain responsibilties, among them, discretion in the press. Most companies with a public profile have this in a standard Code of Conduct.
    Why? Because public negativity causes loss of confidence, and loss of confidence impacts everything from brand value to team morale. You only have to look at Ratners for the ultimate example of a PR disaster.

    He may only be voicing what a lot a fans are thinking, but as an insider, his voice carries more weight than ours, saying he understands why fans are nervous is a de facto vote of no confidence. If he wanted freedom of speech he shouldn't have sold it.


    I'm afraid its a sign of the times when an up to now model professional feels it necessary to go public with this. Sad times.
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    i would definitely argue that any loss of confidence and devaluation of the arsenal 'brand' is a direct result of the boards strategy over the years, rather than just another -1 interview.

    our next raft of sponsorship deals will tell us more no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    i would definitely argue that any loss of confidence and devaluation of the arsenal 'brand' is a direct result of the boards strategy over the years, rather than just another -1 interview.

    our next raft of sponsorship deals will tell us more no doubt.
    Just because the negative effect is relatively small, does that make it ok?

    When someone is lying bleeding in a car wreck, do you run in and have a sneaky kick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    Whether he says it or not is irrelevant, had he not said anything he'd still be thinking it.

    Every player will have been left surprised at the fact we sold 1st teamers and chose to cash the money rather than investing some. We've spent nothing this summer effectively, in fact we've made a profit.
    Then thats his issue and if he feels he needs to leave at the end of the season good luck to him.

    Im sure every player was left suprised but only one went to the media, who he knows will twist his words to say how he felt.

    Would be better if he was not injured and actually showed why he is valued. or he has done is 1of 2 things.

    Bagged himself a new deal or become the next player to be sold. Lets not pretend what he did was for the fans or that he cares about the club either.
    Last edited by Olivier's xmas twist; 10-09-2012 at 03:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ItsMe View Post
    I don't understand this, he's played well yes...but what's to say Sagna won't? Cazorla pretty much came out with something similar before the window shut.
    Not saying Sagna won't. All i said was Carzola now has put his head down even though he maybe thinking things. TV5 might be thinking the same, he was close to RVP not to mention are captain he spent his time away praising Bould when he could have said the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann View Post
    When someone is lying bleeding in a car wreck, do you run in and have a sneaky kick?
    i tend to spit from a distance.

    i'm not disputing whether it is ok or not. what is clear are the comparative effects. if he wasn't allowed to do so by the club, he would not pipe up or would be fined - along with many others.
    Last edited by Kano; 10-09-2012 at 03:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fist of Lehmann View Post
    My feeling is that Carl Sagan is probably off in the Summer, most likely to City, and this is just the opening gambit of the usual 'I want a transfer without losing my loyalty bonus' dance.

    From Arsenal's point of view, he fits the profile. 29, and his stock is high. He'll have 1 year left and the number of games he missed with injury last season, albeit with impact injuries, probably will inform that descision too. Any new contract will involve rising wages for diminishing returns - at least that's the rationale behind the over 30's policy. Like Van Persie, this looks like the perfect time to cash in.

    From Sanga's point of view, this is also the perfect time to cash in. I don't doubt he wants to win things, but would he take a pay cut to do so? Does the Pope shit on bears? No.

    He is a fantastic right back, one I would happily keep at the club till 32-33. So losing him would be another gutpunch to the team and the fans. But this is the reality. Doesn't matter how much they pose in 'Number 1 Fan' shirts, or talk about Spurs as 'the enemy'. Players don't love the club in the same way as we do, and they won't stay because of it.

    For the record, I don't like what Saang has done. It's not 'honesty' to say whatever you feel.
    Honesty is facing up to the situation, it's attending to your responsibilities. He agreed to accept large amounts of money in exchange for certain responsibilties, among them, discretion in the press. Most companies with a public profile have this in a standard Code of Conduct.
    Why? Because public negativity causes loss of confidence, and loss of confidence impacts everything from brand value to team morale. You only have to look at Ratners for the ultimate example of a PR disaster.

    He may only be voicing what a lot a fans are thinking, but as an insider, his voice carries more weight than ours, saying he understands why fans are nervous is a de facto vote of no confidence. If he wanted freedom of speech he shouldn't have sold it.
    Spot fecking on. Top post FOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Tuffnutz View Post
    i tend to spit from a distance.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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