Match Reaction vs Liverpool (home).

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Did you even read what I wrote? What are Liverpool, Chelsea and Utd? How did they attract top managers and what do you make of Leicester and Spurs being in the Top 4? Will the top managers flock to them just because of their league position?

I don't know I can't remember. I possibly lost interest half way through

[Power n Glory]

I don't know I can't remember. I possibly lost interest half way through

Well fuck you too!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Well fuck you too!

Ha I thought that was the best way to answer it, I'm not saying you were doing this but people are prone to saying didn't you read what I wrote with the presumption that you couldn't not agree with that assessment if you'd read it properly.

I do it myself to stupid people just to wind them up

[Özim]

Yes I'm brainwashed and unable to formulate my own opinion

NQ made the case for Liverpool and United who have attracted decent managers without CL football, but the fact is they are clubs with ambition and Arsenal are not. The old board bought into their own hype about self sustainability and that's why they elected to sell out to an avaricious old parasite like Enos Stanley Kroenke (although still better than selling out to an actual sub human parasite like Alisher Usmanov) and we all know none of us are ignorant to the fact that Wenger is retained because they know they will get the money from a 4th place finish from him with relatively low expenditure.

They don't care if the squad is prepared for the season, they don't support the manager they just delegate everything to him. What other manager with any self respect will be prepared to be used as a deflection against criticism and disdain where it truly lies....Wenger is a dinosaur who should be put out to pasture but can you blame him for collecting his exorbitant wages for a job where he's under no pressure to exceed the minimum and wouldn't have the support from the club to do so even if he had the balls to push himself to achieve more and go out with a bang.

I don't think it escapes the footballing world what the setup is like at Arsenal, no manager really would want to enter that situation and even less likely to without the inducement of champions league.

Maybe Gazidis will have free reign to hire and fire once Wenger goes, but ultimately he will have to answer to Kroenke who won't be happy if anything upsets his investment.

I simply don't agree, Wenger has so much control, he's just as involved as the rest of them, we don't spend because he doesn't want to, we're not well prepared because he doesn't do his job properly and he doesn't have the pride in his job to do his best for success either, he's been there a long time and he's just as big a problem as the owner.

He gets paid a sh*t load (more than most managers), has free reign to do anything he likes with no pressure, it's a perfect situation, what manager wouldn't want that, do you think a new manager would want to be under pressure to succeed immediately or do you think he would prefer some time to do it?

Wenger isn't the victim you make him out to be, he's a problem a big problem, we see it everytime he opens his mouth or comes up with one of his nutjob ideas, he's a law onto himself and in Arsenal he's found a club who will indulge his weird fantasies about football, take him out of the equation and things will change, it may not be perfect but it'll be a helluvah lot better than it is now, sure the owner is interested in making money, but if you succeed you'll make more money.

[Power n Glory]

I bet they also don't mind going to clubs with a shit load of resources but are underperforming, like Utd, Pool, the dirty chavs. And us. Only difference is the reluctance of somebody at our club to part with those resources. If that's Wenger then happy days, his departure would transform the club for the better in so many ways and I'm sure plenty of prospective top managers could figure that out. If it's the board keeping hold of the purse then we're fucked and top managers will be able to figure that out too. In some ways, we'd better hope Wenger is as hapless as it appears.

That's where I'm coming from. In fact, if it took dripping out of the Top 4 for the Board to fire Wenger, wouldn't that indicate there is some sort of ambition there to stay on the top competitions?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Wenger does have free reign, he can do what he likes. And that is unprecedented in managerial terms, a manager is always vaguely answerable to someone. And know I don't think a manager coming in would like that, even managers like a structure....they will want to know they have the clubs support not the keys tossed at them "do what you like as long as we finish 4th".
That's not an atmosphere I believe any manager will want to join, the responsibility and authority Wenger has far exceeds anything Ferguson had at United, and it's a strong indicator of a leaderless club....a club that as long as the bottom line looks ok does not give a fuck about what is going on in the football sense and will take the same laisse faire approach to a new manager.
Unless there is both incentive and pressure to deliver, it's not an environment one can succeed in.

[Özim]

Wenger does have free reign, he can do what he likes. And that is unprecedented in managerial terms, a manager is always vaguely answerable to someone. And know I don't think a manager coming in would like that, even managers like a structure....they will want to know they have the clubs support not the keys tossed at them "do what you like as long as we finish 4th".
That's not an atmosphere I believe any manager will want to join, the responsibility and authority Wenger has far exceeds anything Ferguson had at United, and it's a strong indicator of a leaderless club....a club that as long as the bottom line looks ok does not give a fuck about what is going on in the football sense and will take the same laisse faire approach to a new manager.
Unless there is both incentive and pressure to deliver, it's not an environment one can succeed in.

Pressure can come from within, the top managers put pressure on themselves to succeed, that's what makes them top managers, Wenger is content with losing as long as he makes himself and the club money so there's no pressure from anywhere for him.

A new manager would invariably come into a different setup than Wenger is use to, the only reason it is how it is for Wenger is that he's been here longer than anyone else, he's made his own rules and set his own role, none of the people who were there when he started are there anymore.

[Letters]

Wenger does have too much power at the club but you can't absolve the board blame for that.
They are his bosses, if they take the attitude that so long as he keeps delivering a profit and top 4 then that's fine then they have to take some flak for that.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Pressure can come from within, the top managers put pressure on themselves to succeed, that's what makes them top managers, Wenger is content with losing as long as he makes himself and the club money so there's no pressure from anywhere for him.

A new manager would invariably come into a different setup than Wenger is use to, the only reason it is how it is for Wenger is that he's been here longer than anyone else, he's made his own rules and set his own role, none of the people who were there when he started are there anymore.

Maybe at first they might be, but it's human nature that being challenged and driven to do your best has to come from without rather than within.

Working in the public sector, I have done jobs where you get away with doing the bare minimum and often because of a lack of management above you lose the drive to push yourself beyond that after a while.

You want to know your managers have faith in you, but when you are subject to having no challenge from above no matter what decision you make it Instills a god complex and a sense of resentment when anyone else questions what you do.

[fakeyank]

Wenger does have too much power at the club but you can't absolve the board blame for that.
They are his bosses, if they take the attitude that so long as he keeps delivering a profit and top 4 then that's fine then they have to take some flak for that.

And the fans should take blame for letting these morans get away with it. I am one of the culprits filling up the coffers for these muppets. However I am making progress... As a sign of progress/protest, I have not bought any Arsenal memorabilia since February 2016!