Winter Transfer Despair and Bafflement.

[Power n Glory]

Again it makes sense if Gazidis is an idiot

Long term every statement he’s ever made in the past three-four years should come back to haunt him.

Of course on field success helps commercial revenue but getting said commercial revenue for the club is his primary function. Addidas told him to fuck off with the kit sponsorship.

Apart from his attempts at saying “I’m not actually a spastic, I’m an inside man” I just don’t get what evidence you have other than desperation for someone to be at the club who isn’t a) inept b) a cunt or both.

What's the relevance of Adidas telling him to fuck off? Unless you have any other information of why Adidas told him to fuck off, you're not making a valid point. You even admit that our performance on the field may have affected that. If you don't know how much we wanted from the Adidas deal and how much they were offering compared to what we got for signing with Puma, you have no real argument against Gazidis. Are you basing on the fact that it's a bigger brand? Have you forgotten about the bullshit sponsorship deal we signed with Nike?

You're a bit all over the place with your argument. If he only cares about collecting a pay cheque for doing nothing, why would Gazidis take on more work and headache? If he only cares about money, why would he care about his reputation and trying to gain credibility? With who? Who is he trying to impress? The fans? Why care what we have to say? Not saying that he cares at all but everything you have said is full of contradictions.

[Power n Glory]

Again it makes sense if Gazidis is an idiot

Long term every statement he’s ever made in the past three-four years should come back to haunt him.

Of course on field success helps commercial revenue but getting said commercial revenue for the club is his primary function. Addidas told him to fuck off with the kit sponsorship.

Apart from his attempts at saying “I’m not actually a spastic, I’m an inside man” I just don’t get what evidence you have other than desperation for someone to be at the club who isn’t a) inept b) a cunt or both.

What's the relevance of Adidas telling him to fuck off? Unless you have any other information of why Adidas told him to fuck off, you're not making a valid point. You even admit that our performance on the field may have affected that. If you don't know how much we wanted from the Adidas deal and how much they were offering compared to what we got for signing with Puma, you have no real argument against Gazidis. Are you basing on the fact that it's a bigger brand? Have you forgotten about the bullshit sponsorship deal we signed with Nike?

You're a bit all over the place with your argument. If he only cares about collecting a pay cheque for doing nothing, why would Gazidis take on more work and headache? If he only cares about money, why would he care about his reputation and trying to gain credibility? With who? Who is he trying to impress? The fans? Why care what we have to say? Not saying that he cares at all but everything you have said is full of contradictions.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I use such examples to show how there is an attempt to change the structure of the club. Whether those guys are competent or not we'll never know because I've also got examples of Wenger stopping those guys from making any real change to our structure.

These recent moves with our long standing scout being forced out along with Dick Law are just more examples of what I've always argued.

But you also accept that these changes are completely superficial whilst Wenger remains at the club?

Especially when for example Dick Law was pulled out of a negotiation meeting because Wenger had got cold feet about signing a player. And that’s what I mean by Patsy, you are blaming people for being shit at their job when in fact it’s Wengers fault....so you’re not dealing with the problem at all. The smart move for Gazidis would have been to keep them.

And essentially none of you can answer the question, if this guy was worth anyone’s time why would he consent to remaining as Wengers bitch?. My answer is because he may just be smart enough to know he’s not that talented and no where else would give him the money he gets here.

Maybe he wants to be able to run things when Wenger goes but who knows when that will be? If he’s so good why not just look to have that control at another football club?. Rather than trying to outsit eternity waiting for Wenger to fuck off

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

What's the relevance of Adidas telling him to fuck off? Unless you have any other information of why Adidas told him to fuck off, you're not making a valid point. You even admit that our performance on the field may have affected that. If you don't know how much we wanted from the Adidas deal and how much they were offering compared to what we got for signing with Puma, you have no real argument against Gazidis. Are you basing on the fact that it's a bigger brand? Have you forgotten about the bullshit sponsorship deal we signed with Nike?

You're a bit all over the place with your argument. If he only cares about collecting a pay cheque for doing nothing, why would Gazidis take on more work and headache? If he only cares about money, why would he care about his reputation and trying to gain credibility? With who? Who is he trying to impress? The fans? Why care what we have to say? Not saying that he cares at all but everything you have said is full of contradictions.

No what I’m saying is consistent.

Gazidis makes more money at Arsenal than he could ever dream of making anywhere else. I find it bizarre that this is even a matter of contention, if that wasn’t a fact we wouldn’t be having this discussion he’d be gone.

I discussed in the previous post Gazidis likes to try and give the impression of asserting authority by slightly changing situations that in reality will make no difference, but it’s good PR. He may of course actually believe he will do a better job, I tend to think that’s unlikely. Then it may become a case of which one out of Wenger and Gazidis is able to push the other under the bus first.

The Nike deal was done out of necessity, we needed the held over a barrel deal. Now we were more free to make a kit deal, now we were never going to get the same out of Addidas that United got but probably fair to say that we’d get more out of them than we do with Puma. As Gazidis is responsible for these negotiations if you can’t accept that them telling us to fuck off reflects badly on him, just as our failure to match the corporate revenue of clubs who if anything have won less than us in the past five years reflects badly on him than I don’t what else I can say to you.

I don’t want to sound patronising but I genuinely think there is some kind of need to believe Gazidis is not a complete tool to give us hope. I even begrudgingly bought into it myself, but I said back then if Wenger is able to extend his contract without caveats and Gazidis stays there can be no further case made in defence of Gazidis. And guess what happened?

[Power n Glory]

No what I’m saying is consistent.

Gazidis makes more money at Arsenal than he could ever dream of making anywhere else. I find it bizarre that this is even a matter of contention, if that wasn’t a fact we wouldn’t be having this discussion he’d be gone.

The Nike deal was done out of necessity, we needed the held over a barrel deal. Now we were more free to make a kit deal, now we were never going to get the same out of Addidas that United got but probably fair to say that we’d get more out of them than we do with Puma. As Gazidis is responsible for these negotiations if you can’t accept that them telling us to fuck off reflects badly on him, just as our failure to match the corporate revenue of clubs who if anything have won less than us in the past five years reflects badly on him than I don’t what else I can say to you.

I don’t want to sound patronising but I genuinely think there is some kind of need to believe Gazidis is not a complete tool to give us hope. I even begrudgingly bought into it myself, but I said back then if Wenger is able to extend his contract without caveats and Gazidis stays there can be no further case made in defence of Gazidis. And guess what happened?

I find it bizarre that you bring up money as his main motivation but then talk about his ego and all these moves just being a case of him trying to save face. What you're saying is not consistent.

It's fair to say we were going to get more from Adidas than Puma? Where is your evidence for that? Do you know why Adidas pulled out of the deal?

This isn't a need to believe Gazidis is anything. With me, I'm always getting people to back up what they say or make a clear argument that makes sense. You're doing neither. I genuinely believe you're desperate for people to believe Gazidis is a complete tool. That may be the case. But based off what you're arguing, I don't believe that. It's not well thought through. At all.

Edit - agree to disagree on this one. We've done this so many times already.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Erm it doesn’t matter to me what you believe but the point of any discussion board is to debate. It seems odd to think I’d have an agenda when I have the same influence over what happens at Arsenal as any of you and that’s precisely none.

I don’t see how it is inconsistent, if you felt you were worth the money you were getting in a job where your hands are tied you would look to get that money elsewhere.

It’s easier to stay where you are and give the illusion that you are doing something meaningful.

Addidas pulled out of the deal because they weren’t prepared to give us the money we wanted.

Pete Wood of Le Grove is very keen on giving Gazidis the benefit of the doubt and I frankly find it odd but I doubt I’ll convince him anymore than I will convince anyone here.

But like you or anyone else here if I have an opinion on a topic (in this instance Gazidis is a cretin) I don’t feel the need to be shy in pushing it.

[Cripps]

I suspect you have. You only need listen to yourself

Try it, just once as an exercise in empathy.

I sometimes have to run you through google translate

You should be ashamed of yourself. Frankly you’re the Gazidis of WUMs, you talk a good game (when your barely readable nonsense forms into a sentence) but frankly you’re a one track pony.

You came here with a reputation which you’ve just not lived up to.

Answer this one question, do you believe the crap you post or do you say it to inspire debate on the forum? Because if it's the latter it's more tolerable.

[Cripps]

Where on earth did I even hint at the suggestion Ivan is some sort of heroic figure battling for the fans? You're spending the whole day putting words in peoples' mouths? Have you just done the refresher course on stitching people up? All I said was it would be great news if these fuckers are fighting among themselves.

He's backing himself further into the corner

Herbert

His sole purpose here is to provide laughs and banter on the forum

[Cripps]

At odds is not the same as against, but I view a lack of unity among them as preferable either way. Hopefully enough to cause genuine damage to their plans. But if not, well we've lost nothing. It would be worth the fans throwing all their weight behind Gazidis now just to fuck up and potentially wrong foot the other two. That would be hilarious in fact. more entertaining than the football.

only a weapon can't see it

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He's pushing himself further in the corner

Herbert

His sole purpose here is to provide banter on the forum

You need to try harder. This is just unacceptable, the things I was told about Cripps

You’re like a comedy program from thirty years ago that people rave about in the present and say they don’t make them like that anymore.

And when people watch it, turns out to be average or in fact shit and their memory has let them down

You were a legend on here, but all you are is a poorly remembered joke. #SAD