Match Reaction vs Stoke (away).

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The reason we drop points to wanky opposition that we didnt last season is because we played more conservatively, it's the same reason why although we didnt win we were unbeaten at home against all the big sides in the league, but we were bummed away from home because of a combination of being caught high up the pitch when we didnt need to be and a slow undisciplined central midfield. The kind of mistakes that won't get punished against the smaller sides
This season we have the same lack of discipline in defence and a completely unsettled back four.

[fakeyank]

Behave.

Our fixtures thus far have been marginally harder this year but not so much as to explain our ridiculously poor form. The 'difficult' fixtures in the first 15 games last year:
Spurs Home (W)
Liverpool Home (W)
Man Yoo away (L, as always )
Everton Home (D)

This year:

Everton Away (D)
Man City Home (D)
Spurs Home (D)
Chelsea Away (L, as always )
ManYoo Home (L )

So they're worse. And this year we're not even beating the 3 year olds that often. You can't just say "oh yeah, that's because Wenger's crap" when this is the same Wenger whose side last year were, at this stage at least, doing better than anyone. If he's that crap why weren't we crap then too?

I see where the disconnect is... you think that many thought that we were NOT crap last year. Despite the fact that we were top of the table, there were a fair few who said we were crap (which was the truth for a club of Arsenal's size). As for why are we crappier this year? Its simple... our defense sucks goat balls! Last year, we were lucky to get so many games out of Kos Per and Sagna. This year, Kos has been injured, Sagna is gone and Per is shite without Kos, so you can see how horrible we are.

It is baffling though how bad we are. The slide that Wenger started many years ago was going to go down this path but the quickness of the slide has me surprised.

[rodders]

The question must be not whether Arsene should go but whether anybody seriously thinks that things will improve whilst he stays.

[Letters]

The question must be not whether Arsene should go but whether anybody seriously thinks that things will improve whilst he stays.

A related question, of course, is will things improve after he goes.

[Marc Overmars]

A related question, of course, is will things improve after he goes.

I'm not sure but it's a question I look forward to finding out the answer to.

Right now all I'm looking forward to is the day he leaves.

[mr_brighterside]

A related question, of course, is will things improve after he goes.

presuming things can only get worse is one the myths that has kept wenger in his job for far too many years. things clearly can get worse but we have been also rans for so long now he really should go, fed up of us being the top 6 whipping boys.

[The Emirates Gallactico]

Probably one of the worst weeks ever to be an Arsenal fan. Completely abysmal performance followed up by that absolutely sickening video

The game was just pure dross ...... shades of some of our humiliations last year. No tactics, no plan and just no defence. To be three nil down against fucking Stoke of all teams, all terrible goals and letting shithouses like Walters score is inexcusable. Everyone knew that a DM and defensive cover was essential yet nothing was done about it. Not that it would have mattered ........ I'm seriously coming to conclusion that we could have had Maldini and Nesta in their primes in our defence and we'd still find a way to be abject defensively. There seems to be zero emphasis of defending in our tactics ......... that's if we have any. Also to blood Bellerin against Stoke away ...

Wenger really has to go ....... these are basic things which can be resolved without spending money. I mean, there are going to be teams going to places like Stoke with man for man worst players and who won't be humiliated as badly as were on Saturday. Thanks for the memories Arsene, but it's time we went for someone who can bring our football more into the current PL era.


As for the video, I'm not sure any semi decent person who calls themselves an Arsenal fan can defend that or not voice complete horror at it. Fair enough protest during the match, hold up banners and boo to your heart's content but football ends once you leave the stadium. Unless you're some Iain Huntley type figure, no one deserves to be abused like that as they're walking to catch a train. It's just embarrassing and makes our fans the laughing stock of the football world. At least when the Utd fans abused Moyes (with the plane stunt), they were attacking a guy who didn't have any history with the club - like him or hate him, but Wenger should be treated with absolute respect for his years of work for the club and some of the great stuff he's accomplished. In fact, I would hate to see any Arsenal manager, past or future, treated like that. It makes our fans look like some idiotic Italian ultras, the sort who throw rocks at their own team buses and threaten players if they lose a game. How exactly is that going to increase the appeal of our club to potential future stars?

As NQ said, ironically all it does is just makes more people sympathetic towards Wenger.

[Globalgunner]

Probably one of the worst weeks ever to be an Arsenal fan. Completely abysmal performance followed up by that absolutely sickening video

The game was just pure dross ...... shades of some of our humiliations last year. No tactics, no plan and just no defence. To be three nil down against fucking Stoke of all teams, all terrible goals and letting shithouses like Walters score is inexcusable. Everyone knew that a DM and defensive cover was essential yet nothing was done about it. Not that it would have mattered ........ I'm seriously coming to conclusion that we could have had Maldini and Nesta in their primes in our defence and we'd still find a way to be abject defensively. There seems to be zero emphasis of defending in our tactics ......... that's if we have any. Also to blood Bellerin against Stoke away ...

Wenger really has to go ....... these are basic things which can be resolved without spending money. I mean, there are going to be teams going to places like Stoke with man for man worst players and who won't be humiliated as badly as were on Saturday. Thanks for the memories Arsene, but it's time we went for someone who can bring our football more into the current PL era.


As for the video, I'm not sure any semi decent person who calls themselves an Arsenal fan can defend that or not voice complete horror at it. Fair enough protest during the match, hold up banners and boo to your heart's content but football ends once you leave the stadium. Unless you're some Iain Huntley type figure, no one deserves to be abused like that as they're walking to catch a train. It's just embarrassing and makes our fans the laughing stock of the football world. At least when the Utd fans abused Moyes (with the plane stunt), they were attacking a guy who didn't have any history with the club - like him or hate him, but Wenger should be treated with absolute respect for his years of work for the club and some of the great stuff he's accomplished. In fact, I would hate to see any Arsenal manager, past or future, treated like that. It makes our fans look like some idiotic Italian ultras, the sort who throw rocks at their own team buses and threaten players if they lose a game. How exactly is that going to increase the appeal of our club to potential future stars?

As NQ said, ironically all it does is just makes more people sympathetic towards Wenger.

I've seen the video. at the station. Nothing sickening about it. No missiles thrown, no threatening moves. People voicing their discontent about a pathetic regime that glorifies mediocrity. You people need to get a grip. What are they supposed to say. Can you please, kindly let go of your clammy grip on our club?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't like it, lying in wait for a manager and the team at the station just so you can shout abuse at him is ignorant mob mentality, if spurs or Chelsea fans behaved in such a way we would be quick enough to say something.

I think the boos on their own arent the problem it's shouting "fuck off" at him which is disgusting.

I don't like how he's managing the club, I think he's become too insulated and arrogant but nothing he's done deserves personal abuse. He's the same age as my dad and I wouldn't take kindly to people doing that to him.

[fakeyank]

I've seen the video. at the station. Nothing sickening about it. No missiles thrown, no threatening moves. People voicing their discontent about a pathetic regime that glorifies mediocrity. You people need to get a grip. What are they supposed to say. Can you please, kindly let go of your clammy grip on our club?

Cant agree more. He was booed and told to piss off, so what? You get 8 million quid a year to shield your thick self with that. When we were successful, he got the plaudits outside the stadium... so when he flops so badly, he needs to know the sentiments outside football as well. Some of the people are making this 'abuse' seem like Wenger was kicked in the nuts and shoveled with shit!

This pansy attitude is what got us here in the first place. People need to man the fuck up tbh..