Match Reaction v Aston Villa

[Özim]

Thats what i said.

Not really, you said they didn't mention a more ambitious manager.....noone does that anyway, but the point is he's very much part of the ambition problem and when someone says they want to go to a more ambitious club, it's them saying the manager isn't ambitious enough as well as the club.

[Marc Overmars]

My point is if people thing once Wenger leaves we will automaitcally be title contenders again they need to think again.

Not this again.

No one thinks getting rid of Wenger is a quick fix to solve all our troubles. It's just got to the point where those who want a change no longer see Wenger as a solution but part of the problem itself.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Not really, you said they didn't mention a more ambitious manager.....noone does that anyway, but the point is he's very much part of the ambition problem and when someone says they want to go to a more ambitious club, it's them saying the manager isn't ambitious enough as well as the club.

What i'm saying is players see the club as a whole, not a Wenger vs the board like people on here. Yes they want the manager to support them and maybe thats where he is going wrong. Maybe he is thinking about his job rather then taking a risk and sticking up for those players.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Not this again.

No one thinks getting rid of Wenger is a quick fix to solve all our troubles. It's just got to the point where those who want a change no longer see Wenger as a solution but part of the problem itself.

Fair enough, but i guess like NQ said moaning and moaning about it won't do anything till the board kick him out. After all these are the people with the power too. Roman would have by now.

[Niall_Quinn]

Why bother?? I remember wasting my time posting links to seperate interviews where PHW and our former Big Boss Fiszman said clearly they had never and couldn't ever imagine saying NO to Wenger. These interviews were years apart. It is on public record that only Wenger has never been overruled in this club- Dein was, PHW was, the guy intially in charge of our stadium was- but hey......... It's mostly the boards fault because they keep supporting their manager I give up.

If Wenger really is in charge and the board is subordinate to his decision making, then Wenger won't be leaving unless he chooses to right? That's simple logic to follow. So end of debate right there, nothing else to be said.

On the other hand, if we rely on reality and suggest the board makes the decisions then only they can get rid of Wenger. Again very simple logic.

We've been through an analysis of the board's agenda many times, so let's not go over it again. But every single declaration from the board indicates they are 100% behind Wenger. So I'm wondering what the Wenger out movement is hoping to achieve by badgering the manager and ignoring the people who can actually influence any of this. But say the board decides to get rid of him. What do you expect to change then? Some say a better tactician will get the team playing better and achieve better results. Perhaps. So what happens when the new guy gets the team to where he wants it and the top players are sold? Or is the idea supposed to be a new manager will change the direction of the board as well? Kroenke will suddenly become a football fan who decides to pump his money in for love? Is that the hope? That's what people are prepared to swap the trashing of our most successful manager for?

I realise some are attempting to bypass all logic by suggesting Wenger wanted to sell his top players and would rather be 4th than 1st. But if we stick with what is sane, what's the plan once Wenger is (somehow, though nobody has explained how) hounded out? Fans can climb in the sewer with the media and throw all sorts of shit at the manager in an attempt to drive him out. Say they succeed. What's next? What do we scream for next?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

If Wenger really is in charge and the board is subordinate to his decision making, then Wenger won't be leaving unless he chooses to right? That's simple logic to follow. So end of debate right there, nothing else to be said.

On the other hand, if we rely on reality and suggest the board makes the decisions then only they can get rid of Wenger. Again very simple logic.

We've been through an analysis of the board's agenda many times, so let's not go over it again. But every single declaration from the board indicates they are 100% behind Wenger. So I'm wondering what the Wenger out movement is hoping to achieve by badgering the manager and ignoring the people who can actually influence any of this. But say the board decides to get rid of him. What do you expect to change then? Some say a better tactician will get the team playing better and achieve better results. Perhaps. So what happens when the new guy gets the team to where he wants it and the top players are sold? Or is the idea supposed to be a new manager will change the direction of the board as well? Kroenke will suddenly become a football fan who decides to pump his money in for love? Is that the hope? That's what people are prepared to swap the trashing of our most successful manager for?

I realise some are attempting to bypass all logic by suggesting Wenger wanted to sell his top players and would rather be 4th than 1st. But if we stick with what is sane, what's the plan once Wenger is (somehow, though nobody has explained how) hounded out? Fans can climb in the sewer with the media and throw all sorts of shit at the manager in an attempt to drive him out. Say they succeed. What's next? What do we scream for next?

[Power n Glory]

Never said anything about the board being at fault for Wenger not being good tactially. My point is if people thing once Wenger leaves we will automaitcally be title contenders again they need to think again.

What we need is a Owner who has ambition but not one who needs to splash out loads of cash. We need a man that will put the team 1st. Not 1 guy who is worried about how many dolla's he can make for us. Or a Chairman who worry's about how many nice boats he can buy.

Wenger should go, but once he does things won't change that much.

Nobody assumes that and you need to think again before calling people stupid. This whole argument stems from Wenger's bad sub decisions and taking off our sole striker for Coquelin. We need a manager that has more tactical nous if he's working under suspposed constrained conditions. And we're all aware of the fact that the Board are useless which is why it's getting so tense and there is outright disrespect being shown to Wenger and the Board included on match days.

[Globalgunner]

Dont think youve seen an NQ post you didnt like. Stone the crows! Maybe you`re the same person.

[Power n Glory]

If Wenger really is in charge and the board is subordinate to his decision making, then Wenger won't be leaving unless he chooses to right? That's simple logic to follow. So end of debate right there, nothing else to be said.

On the other hand, if we rely on reality and suggest the board makes the decisions then only they can get rid of Wenger. Again very simple logic.

We've been through an analysis of the board's agenda many times, so let's not go over it again. But every single declaration from the board indicates they are 100% behind Wenger. So I'm wondering what the Wenger out movement is hoping to achieve by badgering the manager and ignoring the people who can actually influence any of this. But say the board decides to get rid of him. What do you expect to change then? Some say a better tactician will get the team playing better and achieve better results. Perhaps. So what happens when the new guy gets the team to where he wants it and the top players are sold? Or is the idea supposed to be a new manager will change the direction of the board as well? Kroenke will suddenly become a football fan who decides to pump his money in for love? Is that the hope? That's what people are prepared to swap the trashing of our most successful manager for?

I realise some are attempting to bypass all logic by suggesting Wenger wanted to sell his top players and would rather be 4th than 1st. But if we stick with what is sane, what's the plan once Wenger is (somehow, though nobody has explained how) hounded out? Fans can climb in the sewer with the media and throw all sorts of shit at the manager in an attempt to drive him out. Say they succeed. What's next? What do we scream for next?

You ask what next, but do you really think we'll be able to change the Board with a few frosty chants? It's not going to happen and unless Wenger sorts his act out, things will continue to get ugly and he won't be exempt from the blame either. He backs the board and they back him. There is no quick solution to all this but Wenger would make things a lot easier on himself he were able to motivate the team, select the right players on match day and make sensible subs.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Nobody assumes that and you need to think again before calling people stupid. This whole argument stems from Wenger's bad sub decisions and taking off our sole striker for Coquelin. We need a manager that has more tactical nous if he's working under suspposed constrained conditions. And we're all aware of the fact that the Board are useless which is why it's getting so tense and there is outright disrespect being shown to Wenger and the Board included on match days.

Never called anyone stupid My point has nothing to do with the playing side of things nothing at all. I don't know why Wenger makes those decisions. Though he said his peice in the youtube Vid.

Im not saying Wenger will change with a new manager or that he should not go. My point was we need a better Board/Chairman before this club can move forward who ever the manager is.