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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Maybe they do focus on some incidents and not other, I don't think they do this with an agenda in mind though, they have a limited time to talk about each game and maybe it's dictated by that.

    I've got no problem with saying they get it wrong sometimes, but the agenda against us thing I don't agree with, there's really no reason why this would be the case, as a club we give them no reason to hate us.
    Individuals may have agendas (Hansen doesn't seem to have much time for us - an Anfield '89 shaped chip on his shoulder IMO - but it's not true to say he never gives us credit) but I agree there's no mass media conspiracy against us. Proof that there isn't is that fans of every team think that the media is uniquely biased against them and fiercely pro their rivals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    I don't consider MOTD to be particularly biased, but they are just shit.

    The 30 second Flamini criticism was really scraping the barrel. You could make 5 of those clips for any player in any game.

    That said, I don't think Flamini had a great game. He was reasonably ok. Gave away possession a few times and let a couple of runners go, but generally did his job in the usual efficient way. People praising him but criticising Arteta (yes, SWAYR I'm looking at you) make me chuckle because he genuinely didn't do anything Arteta wouldn't, and I'm guessing Arteta's performance wouldn't be labelled 'outstanding'. But in the Tottenham game - yes, I could see how making a couple of rough challenges got the crowd geed up and intimidated the Tottenham midfield.
    Because Arteta is a toothless pussyhole. He wouldn't have made half the challenges Flamini did and he certainly wouldn't have left a black beast like Diakite squealing on the floor in agony. Add countless other things I noticed throughout the game like actually hunting for the ball in an aggressive fashion, imposing himself, and so on.

    Arteta is not a DM so should not be played there. Flamini is and should be. In 135 minutes of football he has been more aggressive and imposing than Arteta has been in 2 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon View Post
    In the end the ball was played to the player near Sagna and it didn't lead to a goal.

    Through luck, Altidore beat Sagna who is a lot smaller than him and put the ball in the net, the whistle went though (it shouldn't have) so Sagna should have then been red carded, we ended up with the best scenario though just a free kick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Individuals may have agendas (Hansen doesn't seem to have much time for us - an Anfield '89 shaped chip on his shoulder IMO - but it's not true to say he never gives us credit) but I agree there's no mass media conspiracy against us. Proof that there isn't is that fans of every team think that the media is uniquely biased against them and fiercely pro their rivals.
    Dion Dublin was given 2 minutes at the start of last season on MOTD when we played Liverpool away and incidentally has been the only one that has gone into detail to analyse how our players (Diaby at the time) was the difference between the 2 teams. His analysis was exceptional. None of the others have done that to us for years. Dion fucking Dublin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Individuals may have agendas (Hansen doesn't seem to have much time for us - an Anfield '89 shaped chip on his shoulder IMO - but it's not true to say he never gives us credit) but I agree there's no mass media conspiracy against us. Proof that there isn't is that fans of every team think that the media is uniquely biased against them and fiercely pro their rivals.
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    Actually, you're pretty correct. Most of it is just down to poor pundits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Through luck, Altidore beat Sagna who is a lot smaller than him and put the ball in the net, the whistle went though (it shouldn't have) so Sagna should have then been red carded, we ended up with the best scenario though just a free kick.
    We've been on the wrong end of enough decisions down the years. Things like these balance out. It was a poor decision but it happens and it happens both ways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Through luck, Altidore beat Sagna who is a lot smaller than him and put the ball in the net, the whistle went though (it shouldn't have) so Sagna should have then been red carded, we ended up with the best scenario though just a free kick.
    Yep, and Chelsea should be top of the league but they aren't.


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    Flamini has come into a very different team from the one he left. He'll get up to speed in the next few matches. I thought he was average on Saturday, he seemed a step slower than then the pace of the game and was bypassed fairly easily on a few occasions. But he was doing the rounds, geeing the team up and even if that's a bit clichéd communication can only be a good thing. He was reckless with one challenge but didn't go all the way or else he would have been walking, it looked as if he managed to restrain himself so it shows he's thinking on the pitch. Now the dust has settled and particularly since HRH Ozil has arrived I'm pretty comfortable with Flamini as a utility option. Decent if not spectacular player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by She Wore A Yellow Ribbon View Post
    Because Arteta is a toothless pussyhole. He wouldn't have made half the challenges Flamini did and he certainly wouldn't have left a black beast like Diakite squealing on the floor in agony. Add countless other things I noticed throughout the game like actually hunting for the ball in an aggressive fashion, imposing himself, and so on.

    Arteta is not a DM so should not be played there. Flamini is and should be. In 135 minutes of football he has been more aggressive and imposing than Arteta has been in 2 years.
    Well that's certainly the British way of looking at it. Which is why crud like Scott Parker gets named player of the year. The evidence is all there to show Arteta makes a shitload of tackles and interceptions and he was a major reason we had the second best defensive record in the league last year. As fans, it's nice to see someone charging around 100mph and fouling people, but ultimately we are interested in how easy it is for the opposition to get in behind the midfield and create a goalscoring chance. Last season we were as tight as we have been in the league for some time, and the stats show it. This season with Flamini playing a bigger part, we'll see.

    Ideally, we want the pace/energy of Flamini with Arteta's brain, and I was hoping we would spend big money on a DM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    We've been on the wrong end of enough decisions down the years. Things like these balance out. It was a poor decision but it happens and it happens both ways.
    I don't disagree, I was just making the point that the only reason Sunderland didn't score in the end was down to luck not good defending.

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