The Bitter Truth?

[saintnickle]

Exactly those are the only two choices we have (though City have got a ridiculous wage bill so don't really understand what your saying) and neither are really palatable. I literally don't think I could support the club anymore if we were owned by Usmanov, because I pride myself on having a moral compass and respect for human rights. Things that would be in direct conflict with the values of human garbage like that.

Would you not support the club regardless and leave the morality to the premier league to do a fit and proper person test??And wheres the morality in our manager when for years hes had a wage structure in place for everyone exept himself.

[saintnickle]

You mean the commercial deals that might net us another 30-50 million a year which buys you one 10-15 player and his wages for five years, wow I bet Chelsea and Man City must be pissing themselves at our financial firepower.

This what you are saying is utter tosh.We dont pay all ozils wages for 5 years upfront .What if he left after 2 years, the 120million becomes 60 million . If we sell him for 60m after hes seen the light and realises how unambitious we are as a club and how one dimensional our manager is , he will of cost us nothing.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Would you not support the club regardless and leave the morality to the premier league to do a fit and proper person test??And wheres the morality in our manager when for years hes had a wage structure in place for everyone exept himself.

Just like the premier league did a right and proper person test on Thaksin Shinawatra.

There is no moral equivalency between being overpaid for not doing a good job, and being an oppressive tool of Vladimir Putin using the Gazprom pipelines to bring countries under Russian thrall, to make money through organised crime, to commit all kinds of crimes and atrocities and use your wealth to make you exempt from prosecution. So no I couldn't carry on supporting the club.

[Power n Glory]

This what you are saying is utter tosh.We dont pay all ozils wages for 5 years upfront .What if he left after 2 years, the 120million becomes 60 million . If we sell him for 60m after hes seen the light and realises how unambitious we are as a club and how one dimensional our manager is , he will of cost us nothing.

It's total tosh. Earlier he was suggesting we may have spent all the cash on Ozil in the Summer. You can see from the reports that it's utterly false.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

This what you are saying is utter tosh.We dont pay all ozils wages for 5 years upfront .What if he left after 2 years, the 120million becomes 60 million . If we sell him for 60m after hes seen the light and realises how unambitious we are as a club and how one dimensional our manager is , he will of cost us nothing.

But you don't buy players in the hope that someone takes them off your hand two years later, and the money to pay his wages over the five years has to come from somewhere. When you buy a car in installments you have to know you will always have the money to pay it back, no the money is not all spent at once but if our current turnover is used to service our current wage bill than any supplementary income is used to service any additions to the wage bill. I'm sorry if I'm sounding patronising but these are alarming simple concepts you don't seem to grasp

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's total tosh. Earlier he was suggesting we may have spent all the cash on Ozil in the Summer. You can see from the reports that it's utterly false.

To be fair the point I was making is that 120million doesn't buy you a lot, if you consider Ozil transfer fee, wages and add ons you aren't left with a lot of change. So it wouldn't be hard to suppose that money is being spent on that, not all at once but being ear marked for that. Ill grant you I'm speculating but you seem to be reaching because its too hard to accept that you can't compete as both a football club and a business

[saintnickle]

But you don't buy players in the hope that someone takes them off your hand two years later, and the money to pay his wages over the five years has to come from somewhere. When you buy a car in installments you have to know you will always have the money to pay it back, no the money is not all spent at once but if our current turnover is used to service our current wage bill than any supplementary income is used to service any additions to the wage bill. I'm sorry if I'm sounding patronising but these are alarming simple concepts you don't seem to grasp

And what you cant grasp is that if the 120m you say has been used for ozils transfer and wages this year then the total wages for next year must be say 160million minus ozils yearly wage which is 9m .So either the wage bill reduces year on year or we dont pay everything up front.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

And what you cant grasp is that if the 120m you say has been used for ozils transfer and wages this year then the total wages for next year must be say 160million minus ozils yearly wage which is 9m .So either the wage bill reduces year on year or we dont pay everything up front.

The point being that the money is equivalent and even without Ozil at the club with the wages of the rest of the squad it's still two thirds of what we make. Especially when you have seen a rise in the wage bill this season - Mertesacker, Rosicky, Ramsey all getting a pay rise. You can argue the rights and wrongs of that all you like. But if you break down that a player is costing you 120million if he is there for five years, that's about 10-15% of your turnover for that entire period spent on one player.
It doesn't work

[Power n Glory]

To be fair the point I was making is that 120million doesn't buy you a lot, if you consider Ozil transfer fee, wages and add ons you aren't left with a lot of change. So it wouldn't be hard to suppose that money is being spent on that, not all at once but being ear marked for that. Ill grant you I'm speculating but you seem to be reaching because its too hard to accept that you can't compete as both a football club and a business

You're just plain wrong. The point you made just shows how far off the mark you are.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

You're just plain wrong. The point you made just shows how far off the mark you are.

Wah Wah Wah I'm not listening....you're wrong, you're wrong....take it back. That's what you sound like to me right now