These sort of arguments are pointless because he knows and agrees with the main point of the argument, which is Ramsey hasn't replicated his best form and needs to learn how to play better as a CM. But he wants to play semantics about when exactly Ramsey's transition started. Who gives a fuck? At least you and NQ have a fundamental difference opinion on a subject and not playing semantics.Originally Posted by Letters
It's nice you two are taking up the slack while NQ and me are on a break
We keep things simple. I'm right, Letters is wrong.
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Wait, what?
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very much agree and align with the thoughts in this post, it's exactly what i think regards the Ramsey situation and to a wider extent the central midfield situation. we've had, well he's had years to put it right, should have fixed it as soon as Vieira and Gilberto left, but no he went went for Denilson, Fabregas, and Song even the " signed broken-backed Bischoff" then straight onto Arteta until the recent emergence of Coq and perseverance of Carzola...take that in for a momentIt doesn't relate because he was playing in a completely different position and it's why he was more disciplined and simplified his game. That demonstrates he has the ability to pass and keep it simple at DM but that doesn't mean he knows how to play as CM. Also, the game you're talking about was the build up to him finding that form that had him scoring goals for fun the following season. It was the start of him finding his confidence again. It adds further evidence to the original debate where you've wrongly assumed Ramsey needs Arteta to play next to him to flourish. He doesn't. He just needs a brain and maybe some guidance from Wenger again to build from the back and pick his runs more strategically. He's not demonstrating that at the moments and besides that one moment where he was on form, he hasn't shown it before or since. I'll avoid using the word season since you want to play semantics.But as I said in the original debate, something started to click with Ramsey early and we can probably pin point it to him playing as DM.
This is worth a read.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...e-Arsenal.html
Even after a stint at DM he mentions wanting to get forward and getting into the box. That's probably his problem and where I see him going wrong at CM.
http://arseblog.com/2016/02/tactics-...d-effectively/
It's also worth reading this from Arseblog. With the middle being so packed and us depending so much on Bellerin moving the ball forward, I have no idea why he didn't have the sense to drop back and provide more support. It's a complaint I've had with the Wilshere/Ramsey/Arteta axis of ages. Only when Rosicky or Cazorla come into the fold are we able to play through the middle more comfortably and I don't think Wenger gives instructions on where a player should be when playing CM as Arseblog assumes. A more attack minded player like Cazorla has enough sense to sit deep and build slowly from the back. I don't know why he'd give Ramsey different instructions., let it sink
next ..
..same as the striker situation ...he's had since Van Persie left to fix that, but no we went for Chamakh, Giroud, Sanogo and Welbeck ..take a moment, take that in, after seeing the likes of Wright, Henry and Bergkamp grace our turf...let it sink
..and next
oh but it doesn't stop there, he did it with the Goalkeepinq situation. he's only just fixed this since Jens left the building, Almunia, Fabianski, Polish Kid, Ospina ..take a minute, breathe!
..it doesn't stop there
apart from Theo's contract negotiation performances in two periods during his last decade with us, we've seen nothing like an adequate replacement on the right wing/forward position since Freddie. at times over the years we've even seen extended runs in that key attacking position from the likes of Eboue, Gervhino and through no fault of their own, Ox and Gnarbry (they're only little and misguided)
we can go on here, and we haven't touched the tactical, motivational, selection and injury issues
ultimate question is really about what our individual tolerance levels can take before we feel like we're being mugged, and then snap, and at this rate i would say it's now a question of when our respective individual snap points are breached, and no longer about when they will go. in finality, only when those individual snap points converge or agree/unite simultaneously, resulting in fire and rebuke from the terraces ....nothing is going to change and no one is taking responsibility apart from raking it in, so fuck 'em ..just as they are evidently through their actions and rhetoric saying fuck us the fans!
trying to take down Wenger and the boardroom/owner situation is like trying to get rid of Putin or Mugabe, in the end you just get tired of it....but let's not prop up a failed state or accept it's ways.
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It's all linked. It's taken him far too long to fix key positions and now that we have money, he's out of excuses. We shouldn't be persisting with Giroud up top. We were lucky to stumble across Coquelin otherwise we may have still been relying on Arteta, Flamini or maybe even Chambers. As for Walcott, is that what over 10 years of development under Wenger looks like? 10 years playing on the wing and he hasn't improved and it's so bad now Wenger given him license to abdicate all winger duties and just focus on being a wide striker. He's not dribbling, rarely crosses and won'r come deep or short for the ball to link up play with others. Is that 10 years worth of development? 2/3 passes? That's a sick joke. I agree with IBK and that we should be playing to our players strengths and I've said for ages Theo isn't a dribbler and should be played up front but given he's had 10 years playing as a winger, I don't know how he and Wenger can be satisfied with him just making runs from a wide position and not getting involved in the build up play. It's like the last 10 years have been a complete waste. I thought we we working on building a complete player? He's now more one dimensional than when he first arrived. I fear that's the same course Ramsey is taken with these idiotic urges to surge into the box at every moment. Total tunnel vision.
I think the snapping point for tolerance goes this season if we fuck this one up. In fact, I think Wenger has shown himself up so bad this season that even if we manage to win it people will want him gone. People are seeing the excuses about not being able to spend because of financial doping, the stadium and whatever else he's had to hide behind is complete bullshit. Some may hang on for dear life and keep faith in Wenger but when we start losing players, key individuals because they're not prepared to put their futures in the hands of a madman, I think everyone will see the full circle and nobody will want to give Wenger anymore time to build a new team.
http://arseblog.com/2016/02/roquelin/
A good piece from Tillman on Arseblog. Relates to the midfield axis. The problems mentioned with the Flamsey combo is similar to what i've seen with Arteta Ramsey and Wilshere. Wilshere and Ramsey especially because they have no partnership when playing together. Hardly exchange passes and play too far apart.
Summarised - at some point we need to replace Vieira.
A ball playing, box to box, close control specialist, destroyer, artist, goal threat. Not easy to do but we've had a little time to look around. There have been options, all passed up. Need to replace RvC too, btw. Again, options abound, all passed up. Wenger has tried to build what we need using materials like Walcott, Wilshere, and even Yaya fucking Sanogo. He doesn't seem to care that these players show no signs of progression, are injured all the time or can't play football, respectively. He has a vision of where they could be, what they could be like and he's been willing to persist. That's what you get when there's no pressure on the manager. No other manager in the game could be sitting there 10 years later still experimenting, still waiting. This is why *anyone* with a basic skill set could replace Wenger at this stage, provided they had the backing of the board and the muscle to go and buy the two players we need and have needed forever.
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Top fucking post! My Nan could replace Wenger......God rest her soul.
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