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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    If Wenger was never a good tactician, if he was never a good motivator, and if it's a gimme he'd fail in the transfer market despite having money...

    Who developed the best attacking football this country has seen?
    Who kept the team firing through an unbeaten season?
    Who signed Henry, Vieira, Overmars, Petit, Henry, Pires?

    I think you have hit on something here Letters. Which leads on to a more interesting question. Wenger's real legacy. Who was responsible for the great success we had at the turn of the century, and if it was Wenger, how can he possibly have abandoned everything and laboured so hard to produce this absolute shit show, some of the most boring football ever seen, some of the least ambitious and a team packed with expensive dross? He signed Sanogo instead of Mbappe.

    My theory so far is, his early legacy remains intact but he had a mental breakdown. If he carries on, some people might not be so kind in their judgement.
    Or maybe football changes and he couldn’t adapt

    When he first came here he was revolutionary, now he’s as dated as

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Or maybe football changes and he couldn’t adapt

    When he first came here he was revolutionary, now he’s as dated as
    That's like a change in the Highway Code compelling you to drive your car off a cliff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur View Post
    'Hope we push on' doesn't mean we were convinced we'd push on. You confuse the two. I hope we win every single game but that doesn't mean I'm convinced we'll do it.
    I don't confuse the two, I'm just saying that if people are claiming they "knew" we wouldn't are awarding themselves more credit than they deserve and conveniently forgetting all the things they "knew" which didn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    If Wenger was never a good tactician, if he was never a good motivator, and if it's a gimme he'd fail in the transfer market despite having money...

    Who developed the best attacking football this country has seen?
    Who kept the team firing through an unbeaten season?
    Who signed Henry, Vieira, Overmars, Petit, Henry, Pires?

    I think you have hit on something here Letters. Which leads on to a more interesting question. Wenger's real legacy. Who was responsible for the great success we had at the turn of the century, and if it was Wenger, how can he possibly have abandoned everything and laboured so hard to produce this absolute shit show, some of the most boring football ever seen, some of the least ambitious and a team packed with expensive dross? He signed Sanogo instead of Mbappe.

    My theory so far is, his early legacy remains intact but he had a mental breakdown. If he carries on, some people might not be so kind in their judgement.
    All I'll say is

    Thank god George Graham was here before him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I don't confuse the two, I'm just saying that if people are claiming they "knew" we wouldn't are awarding themselves more credit than they deserve and conveniently forgetting all the things they "knew" which didn't happen.
    Like what? The season isn't over?

    Letters, you don't even watch the football anymore. That is how bad things are right now. How much worse does it have to get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie View Post
    Or maybe football changes and he couldn’t adapt

    When he first came here he was revolutionary, now he’s as dated as
    That is pretty much exactly how I see it.
    The problem isn't that Wenger has changed, the problem is he hasn't while all around him has.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I don't confuse the two, I'm just saying that if people are claiming they "knew" we wouldn't are awarding themselves more credit than they deserve and conveniently forgetting all the things they "knew" which didn't happen.
    Credit? Deserve? What?

    Forget that. I'm pretty sure the gist of this is people don't buy into the excuses you are making for the bloke, regardless of when they first twigged he was a loser.

    You just happen to be the last person on here that supports the bloke. I know you'll say you don't and you want him gone and all that. Maybe that's even true this season. But still, so many of your postings have that "but" clause that essentially makes an excuse for every outcome. All too predictable outcomes that can be mapped back over at least a decade and can now be projected into the future with depressing accuracy.

    The fanbase has been through many stages of denial, acceptance, grief, anger,.. This is the last stage of the process, where every fan finally accepts the inevitable and the fanbase becomes unified in one goal. Not winning titles, obviously, not winning cups, because it makes no difference, not even winning matches, because we can even predict those too. But getting Kroenke, Wenger and the other leeches out of this place.

    That's when it's going to change. When the fanbase has a unified and unbreakable front. And for that to happen, the last lame excuses have to be purged. There's not a single legitimate excuse to be made for any of them. Every excuse has been exposed. Every lie revealed by the passage of time.

    All that is left is us, and them.

    No more excuses now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    That's like a change in the Highway Code compelling you to drive your car off a cliff.
    Not really. It’s the difference between a club threatening to be the dominant force in English football and being bang average which is what we are currently.

    Bang Average is totally unacceptable but it’s not cliff edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vieira View Post
    Just pointing out that whilst many were being positive and saw light at the end of the tunnel when certain things happened over the years, to be fair to Zimm, he was the head honcho in predicting pretty much everything that's happened, to the extent it has happened.
    We're in an infinitely better position financially and to compete than we would have been if we were still at Highbury. In that sense we've certainly succeeded in our aims with the stadium - you can't call yourself a big club and not have a modern up-to-date big stadium - why do you think the likes of Spurs & Chelsea are desperate to do their own moves right now? Zim was right about shit regarding that.

    What's holding us back is the manager and by extension the current board's lack of ruthless ambition. I was one that was initially prepared to give Wenger a chance when the money rolled in but clearly he hasn't been cut out to handle the rigours of winning the league for a while now, especially in the ultra competitive environment we're currently in. If Zim had specifically moaned about that, then he would have been right - but then again, as alluded to above, it's hardly a bold prediction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Delusions of Grandeur View Post
    Like what? The season isn't over?

    Letters, you don't even watch the football anymore. That is how bad things are right now. How much worse does it have to get?
    He can't admit we were right because that would undermine all the people that have been banned over the years and all the personal duels he got himself into, which would mean he's ultimately lost. He's trying to save face.

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