Super Super Quality Transfer Speculation & Shit

[Joker]

We finished 3rd

We realise that, but from 2002-2005, we won 5 trophies (2 of which were league titles). Since then, we've had no trophies whatsoever. You can say, oh it's because Man City and Chelsea have been taken over by oligarchs, which is fair enough, but that's no excuse for the way we've collapsed so regularly, and going from a position where we were on the coattails of our rivals to barely scraping 4th. Even Man Utd, when there was serious concerns about the Glazers piling on debt and taking money out of the club, were able to challenge for the title and win some trophies during their dark days (like the FA Cup in 2004 and the Carling Cup in 2006). Why haven't we been able to win a single trophy despite being in a few semi finals and finals in that time? That suggests a lack of winning mentality and the buck must stop with the manager.

[Marc Overmars]

Wenger is a ****.

[Niall_Quinn]

Well at Arsenal that is certainly not the case, because both the board and Wenger are simply treating our club like a private sector enterprise, with the emphasis on servitude to the shareholders.

This is a certainty with the board because we can see the end result. This is a possibility with Wenger, the fact he's an employee needs to be considered. No compliance, no job. That's the way it works. Let's assume he would rather see the board prosper rather than the club. There's nothing to suggest this but let's assume it anyway. Question is, who is the manager that can come in and change the financial agenda of the club? Which manager arrives, at the very least keeps us near the top and loosens the multi-million purse strings?

[Globalgunner]

It's the whiners that are black and white on this issue. NOBODY is claiming Wenger has no faults - faults that genuinely cost us. But SOME are claiming it's 100% Wenger's fault. That's why they have the piss taken out of them. Because it's a very silly argument.

There are no silly arguments, only silly positions. People should see the facts clearly and make the case without preconditions. We are a team that used to think coming second was a bad thing, now 3rd is a mighty laudable conquest. Our players want to leave, others dont want to come. In any other walk of life RVP SHOULD stay, we have been carrying him for years, Ropey walcott now wants to string us along some more, maybe he will threaten to leave. facts are facts you can either say we are in a long standing holding pattern of 3-4th position or we are building again for an assault on the top.....I dont think it is the latter.

Are we going to be the first club in history where, when things are going wrong on the field, we sack the board and keep the manager?

[Joker]

I blame Wenger entirely for us finishing 3rd...

If you're satisfied with Champions League qualification every season, with the Cups being treated as a mere inconvenience (even when we reach the final stages) good for you but for some fans football is more than just about the balance sheet. If we didn't win anything from 1998-2005 and were midtable throughout that period, then I would give credit to Wenger for improving our state. However, we've gone from being a very successful side (which I give Wenger credit for) to a side that doesn't look likely to win a trophy in the foreseeable future. That is surely unacceptable for a top club like ours?

[Flavs]

Even Man Utd, when there was serious concerns about the Glazers piling on debt and taking money out of the club, were able to challenge for the title and win some trophies during their dark days

Yeah Manyoo have been looking down the back of the sofa for the pennies havent they, apart from the £30mil on ferdinand, £30mil on Rooney, £28mil on Berbatov and so on...

[Niall_Quinn]

There are no silly arguments, only silly positions. People should see the facts clearly and make the case without preconditions. We are a team that used to think coming second was a bad thing, now 3rd is a mighty laudable conquest. Our players want to leave, others dont want to come. In any other walk of life RVP SHOULD stay, we have been carrying him for years, Ropey walcott now wants to string us along some more, maybe he will threaten to leave. facts are facts you can either say we are in a long standing holding pattern of 3-4th position or we are building again for an assault on the top.....I dont think it is the latter.

Are we going to be the first club in history where, when things are going wrong on the field, we sack the board and keep the manager?

Sack both if you must but don't expect dramatic change if you want to keep the same agenda and merely replace the front man. We've been 3-4 quality players short for a long time now. A little bit of investment could have made all the difference. We built stadiums and flats instead and the shareholders bugged out with half a billion quid in their pockets. The promise was the investment in property would allow us in turn to fund the team so we could continue to compete at the very top level. We have yet to see a penny of that funding. And we remain 3-4 quality players short. But the good news, the shareholders did get their half a billion quid so the strategy hasn't been a complete failure.

Note: No shareholders were harmed during the production of the last 7 seasons.

[Joker]

This is a certainty with the board because we can see the end result. This is a possibility with Wenger, the fact he's an employee needs to be considered. No compliance, no job. That's the way it works. Let's assume he would rather see the board prosper rather than the club. There's nothing to suggest this but let's assume it anyway. Question is, who is the manager that can come in and change the financial agenda of the club? Which manager arrives, at the very least keeps us near the top and loosens the multi-million purse strings?

If Wenger is opposed to the board, then I think he should do the honest thing and tender his resignation, and say he can't work under the financial constraints imposed by the board. That way the fans will know exactly whose to blame, and through supporter pressure could at least put the board under the spotlight.

I know people are opposed to Usmanov, but if the choice is between him and the status quo, I'd go with him because we desperately need change at the top.

[Flavs]

Can't wait for Wenger's autobiography, especially if he writes it himself

[Niall_Quinn]

If Wenger is opposed to the board, then I think he should do the honest thing and tender his resignation, and say he can't work under the financial constraints imposed by the board. That way the fans will know exactly whose to blame, and through supporter pressure could at least put the board under the spotlight.

I know people are opposed to Usmanov, but if the choice is between him and the status quo, I'd go with him because we desperately need change at the top.

Why do you expect Wenger to be a martyr? Who do you work for? Do you agree with the agenda of the guys at the top? Do you still take a pay cheque from them? Wenger's a football manager working in the modern game. Which club should he go to where the board devotes itself to the fans and makes all personal financial gain a secondary objective?

Usmanov is a vicious criminal. Provided you are okay with that then it's true, his stolen and blood soaked money could go a long way.