Match Reaction vs Stoke (away).

[Xhaka Can’t]

If you guys are going to come up with some of the most ridiculous analogies the world has ever seen, the least you can do is make them funny.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1758671/posts

[saintnickle]

Take a look at this.Wenger is blameless ,its all the referees fault

http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/39424#comment-822923

[Xhaka Can’t]

That's that sorted.

Bring on whoever it is we're playing next.

[LDG]

We're watching the slow decline and downfall of the manager who built the best team ever to pull on the red and white jersey. The guy who masterminded exhilarating football the like of which we won't see again in the cynical, "destroyer", "don't like it up 'em", world of moneyball. The chavs couldn't buy it, the gypos can't buy it, even Madrid and Barca can't buy it. We were spoiled rotten back then, ever the opposition fans used to clap us off the pitch FFS! Remember that. We're also seeing the end of a guy who took Arsenal from relative England bound obscurity and made us a name on the world stage. A guy who transformed the English game from piss up and hackathon to a professional arena for athletes. The guy in charge when the Invincibles went 49 games without the opposition laying a glove on us, until a creature from the gutter who is worshipped by the media dragged us back into the slime by means that were the antithesis of the sporting ideal.

Those are Wenger's achievements and they will never be repeated, ever, by anyone no matter how much cash is thrown at it. But now he's burnt out, out of touch, living on past glories, call it what you want. It's time for him to go and most agree on that. Who do you think will suffer most if we wash our hands of our own history and start screaming abuse at the man? Do you think the board will suffer? Do they even give a fuck about the one or two or three decades we've sat through following this club? Were they even there at the highest of high points? Do they understand what achievement beyond the balance sheet is, like a fan naturally does? For Wenger, his name is in the history books no matter how much the screamers want to trash it. Yeah sure, the fans paid the money, they turned up, they cheered (through the good times at least). But it was the manager and the players who had to deliver, and they did. Spectacularly. And we all lapped it up. If Wenger can't repeat the unrepeatable it doesn't mean he has lost what he already achieved. But if the fans try to reduce him to nothing, humiliate him, what can they say about there own legacy? Yes, I was there in the good time and I cheered. Yes, I was there in the bad times too and I doorstepped the manager and screamed abuse in his face. Maybe for some fans they don't really care about self respect. But most will.

Wenger is in his last days, could be a few days, could be as many as a thousand. However long, he'll leave with his dignity and achievements intact. Let's see what state the fans are in and how their own dignity measures up when the announcement finally arrives that the manager is stepping down. Let's see if we, the guys who have sat here for the one, two, three decades have any sort of legacy left or if we've just turned into that guy who wants it today because he knows how much he paid. We hate the club down the road for having that attitude, don't we?

Also, I thought better of some people on here. A lot of what is written on these pages, is part of the reason our game has gone to the dogs.

Disgusting.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Football fans swearing! What's the world coming to? You guys need to get a grip.

But it's outside the sport, if fans in a stadium start shouting and swearing at the manager that's one thing, it's not my type of thing but outside a football ground it is just a thug screaming at a sixty five year old man.

Because if accosting the manager at a railway station is acceptable than presumably someone coming up to him and screaming at him in a restaurant is acceptable as well?

Really I'm surprised I need to explain this.

[Xhaka Can’t]

But it's outside the sport, if fans in a stadium start shouting and swearing at the manager that's one thing, it's not my type of thing but outside a football ground it is just a thug screaming at a sixty five year old man.

Because if accosting the manager at a railway station is acceptable than presumably someone coming up to him and screaming at him in a restaurant is acceptable as well?

Really I'm surprised I need to explain this.

[Özim]

That's not it. The problem stems from your convenient amnesia. It's been 9 years running and your still surprised by the results. It's fine if you're a bit slow to spot the problem but it's really annoying when you start telling others that they couldn't foresee the problems we'd have this season. Especially when it's been repeated over and over again to you but you take none of it on board.

Comments like this take the biscuit.


We've won one trophy in 9 years so I think the 'doom mongers' have been getting it right for quite a long time. We've not turned shit in one season, we've been below par for a very long time. Even with the FA Cup win, we were on the end of some very humbling results.

Spot on, IMO this was predictable, we havent' been particularly good for quite a few years, our football is average, our squad has been packed full of CM for years and totally inbalanced, our defence largely poorly drilled and prone to errors, our finishing wayward and our goalkeeper dodgy.....as for tactics, well there don't seem to be any and that's before we even talk about these "unlucky" injuries.

A good manager would have systematically worked through the problem areas and sorted them out, if your defence is poor buy some quality and find a coach to drill them to work as a unit, if your keeper is erratic find someone consistent (Chelsea found Courtois from somewhere), if you lack leadership and steel in midfield find an uncomprimising DM who can put it about, if your lacking goals from your strikers, sign proven finishers.

Year after year nothing really changes, everyone can see the problems except the guy being paid handsomely to sort these out, a man who is happy to accept 4th place and treat it as if we'd won the CL and Premier League double.

I'm sick of this guy and his flawed complacent methods (and have been for many years), I'm sick of his patronising words, I'm sick of his excuses and I'm just plain sick of him now and wish that he just left the club for good because that would be best for everyone.....then and only then can we start looking forward to change and potentially challenging for honours.

[Özim]

But it's outside the sport, if fans in a stadium start shouting and swearing at the manager that's one thing, it's not my type of thing but outside a football ground it is just a thug screaming at a sixty five year old man.

Because if accosting the manager at a railway station is acceptable than presumably someone coming up to him and screaming at him in a restaurant is acceptable as well?

Really I'm surprised I need to explain this.

Don't people do the same at footballers who have moved clubs without anyone batting an eyelid though. I don't agree with it but I do think that if you do it at players then it's very much pot calling the kettle black.

[Letters]

I can remember Zimm getting hounded last year around this time because he said that we were punching above our weight and that we will be 4th at the end of the season. Dont get me wrong... people hounded him out but guess who was proved right?

Literally everyone thought we were punching above our weight. Pretty much no-one thought, deep down, we had enough to sustain it. Don't act like Zim's some visionary who saw that coming when no-one else did. If he was hounded it was for his relentless negativity rather than actually enjoying the fact that we were doing well. But we weren't crap last year, we got our most points since 2008.

So you mean to say that the most successful manager in our clubs history can do anything and not be booed? Sure, let him rape some women and children, but dare we boo him or call him a cunt!

Bloody hell, fy. Get a grip. Literally 6 months ago he was holding the FA Cup aloft.
Since then things have gone to pot but raping women and children? What the hell is wrong with you? You're a grown up. You're getting married. There are more important things in life than whether Arsenal win football matches or not. I can understand Wenger getting some stick in the ground when passions are running high but this wasn't in the ground, it was way after the game. There is literally nothing 'manly' about going to the station to scream abuse at someone, especially someone who you know is unable to respond (not that such knuckle-dragging behaviour deserves a response). They're the actions of thugs and cowards.

As for calling own players/managers cunts, you clearly havent seen Chelsea fans talk about Torres, Liverpool fans talk about Balotelli, Arsenal fans about Fabregas (before he even left), Newcastle fans about their manager, West ham fans about Fat Sam etc etc... clearly we are watching a different football in a parallel universe. #Interstellar

So other clubs have knuckle draggers too. That makes it all OK then. Years ago I remember dad and me having a conversation about corruption in the UK parliament and I said "it's far worse in Italy". He said "compare youself with the best, not the worst...". I am not going to base my standards on knuckle draggers at other clubs. Especially not Chelsea. I've been on Tube trains with Chelsea fans shouting racist abuse at other passengers, it made me embarrassed to be a football fan. But hey, I should just "man up", that's how football fans behave, it's fine. Right? Stoke fans boo Ramsey for having the cheek to not be ever so pleased that some thug who puports to be a professional football player snapped his leg in two. Spurs fans repeatedly call Wenger a paedo - a horrible accusation with no basis. But it's fine, it's just what football fans do. No, it's what idiots do. I'm not an idiot, I'm not going to join in with that sort of nonsense or condone those who do it.

[Power n Glory]

But it's outside the sport, if fans in a stadium start shouting and swearing at the manager that's one thing, it's not my type of thing but outside a football ground it is just a thug screaming at a sixty five year old man.

Because if accosting the manager at a railway station is acceptable than presumably someone coming up to him and screaming at him in a restaurant is acceptable as well?

Really I'm surprised I need to explain this.

You don’t need to explain anything. What gets me is snobbish attitude as if our fans are somehow better than others and ‘above’ this sort of behaviour. Arsenal ‘class’ they say. It doesn’t exist. There are some idiots among us and we’re a club supported by many. It’s football. We’ve seen fans intimidate Rooney and Gerrard into staying with their clubs. Fans abusing refs, burning shirts of former players, singing songs about rape, paedophiles, racist songs, anti-sematic, homophobic, you name it. It can be an ugly sport at times and I don’t agree with what happened to Wenger but it’s not the worst thing I’ve seen. It’s just a few boos and jeers I’m sure he won’t lose sleep over.