This is not a shock is it though we all know they are money grabbing ****s.Originally Posted by jelgoon
This is not a shock is it though we all know they are money grabbing ****s.
we can do better and i feel this season we will see some major changes.
Liverpool had a far worse season than me in my opinion, plus Dalglish pissed away tens of millions of pounds whilst moving backwards. Dalglish is not a fraction of the manager Wenger is, so it's not a very good comparison really.
Back on topic, I think a lot of disenchanted fans don't give enough credit to the job Wenger does do because of the perception that he's holding us back. I found a lot to enjoy in the season and finishing third in the end did bring a moment of joy, albeit a small one compared with winning the league, though I think others saw only negatives. It seems though that the people who are most annoyed with finishing third are the same people who predicted we'd have a terrible season and will never improve under Wenger and so on, i.e. those with the lowest expectations. You might think the lower your expectations the more easily pleased you should be, but it isn't so. So, either posters haven't really lowered their expectations as they say, or accepting lower standards still won't bring satisfaction. I think that although 7 years seems a long time, success is still too recent in our memories and we can't, as you say accept our lot.
They has spent £60mil on British "talent" though
Plus Kenny hasn't won 3 Prems and 4 FA cups and got his team into the champs league 15 years in a row while overseeing the rejuvenation and establishing of a world class business.
Just saying.
Srs?
If Liverpool had the season we've just had, Kenny would probably be getting a new contract.
Well that makes no sense. Like GP alludes to it surely shows winning a cup and doing well in another doesn't matter a jot if you don't also do well in the league, as they know, that's how they will get their money back and be more beneficial for the club generally.
Pretty much this is what happened when you let these Billionaires take over you have less time to get it right as they want quick results it has nothing to do with ambition.
You see its this perception that is the whole issue here. Look, I see the argument that says its defeatist to accept less than we achieved in Wenger's early years, that the manager has gone stale and that he has made mistakes. But when you look at what has happened to football since 2005, and look at trends rather than at individual events such as last Summer's debacle, it is very, very difficult to argue that its our manager's failings rather than increased competition from much clubs with much richer resources than our's that has seen us decline from top 2 to top 4.
If Wenger is stale, then its a pretty good type of stale that has continued to give us CL football, and retain our reputation (amongst other players/targets and pundits) for playing a good brand of football throughout the seismic shifts that have occured both at our own club and elsewhere all these years.
Fans (myself included), tend to see change of manager or players as the answer. But there are a hell of a lot more examples of these changes not resulting in success than otherwise. I just can't help thinking that if we make the mental leap of accepting that while we should aspire to be one, the truth is that we are no longer a championship winning team, we might judge our manager less harshly; find it easier to accept that our best talent will probably move on and appreciate that we are not in such a bad place, really.
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
Don't you think the fact we've got to the semi-finals and finals shows that we're not indifferent to the cup competitions?
Clearly our priority is a top 4 finish and CL qualification. In this day and age that, unfortunately, has to be our priority. But we're not dismissing the cup competitions, we've regularly got to the latter stages but just finished the job. The issue has been mental resolve, not lack of interest IMO.
when they have been carling semi/finals in the main when the strongest possible team has not been picked, or the infamous semi against chelsea then we can see that they have not been taken seriously enough.
patting young players on the back for getting arsenal to that stage has backfired, instead of putting out the strongest team possible to finish the job. the bigger picture is arsenal and not personal rewards for the players. part of being in a larger squad is having to sacrifice for the greater cause at times.
either way, the reason we haven't at least nicked a cup or two is down to the manger and if avram grant, benitez, ramos can lift a trophy, then we should've been able to.
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