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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    I wonder how much of that is bluster, I can't believe he seriously thinks this squad is good enough.
    He can't...can he?!
    I doubt he thinks the squad is good enough but I do believe he gets more satisfaction from developing a player. Which to be fair there's nothing wrong with, I just think he's guilty of not knowing when the right time to strengthen is. There's got to be a balance.
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    Letters, they are all business men in that board room including Wenger, he literally runs the club from top to bottom, all the rest are bean counters and yes men to Wenger and Stan. We all know Stan has given wenger cart blanche to run the club how he see's fit. The puppets in the board room wont resign or walk way as they are making far too much money and Wenger know's nobody can challenge him as long as Stan is the main man at the club. The board I am sure have suggested to wenger but it apepars he has rejected the option to spend as he feels the squad is strong enough for 4th place and I wouldnt disagree. My beef is I want an Arsenal team to compete with Chelsea, Man U and City for the league and Bayern, Madrid and Barca in the Champions league, but the current squad is simply to weak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niall_Quinn View Post
    I don't care. They have all feathered their nests and left the club in the lurch so they should all fuck off. They are here to do a job and sure they get paid for doing it, but they have taken care of the getting paid well bit and forgot the job bit. Even banksters resign after they have robbed the place. The thing that makes football different is the lock in they have with the customer and boy do they milk it. None of these people are fit to be in charge of a football club.
    We’ve seen massive changes at Board level and ownership. Wenger remains and we have the same problems. As said before, I don’t get how and why the Board would be open to the wage bill going up to a silly level and approving deals for kids based off potential. Who’s telling Dick Law to sign Jack, Ramsey, Ox and Gibbs to long term deals for massive contracts? Who else can tell the them the potential of a player? Before Dick was even here, Wenger signed up Bendy and Denilson to stupid contracts. That’s when he was doing Dein’s role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JonasTC View Post
    The thing is, we dont actually know how involved Wenger is.... He cant be as involved as everyone in here seems to believe, because then we could save millions in wages on all the different directors/leaders/whatever in the club.

    If a manager could get whoever he wanted, of course he would he get those players. We've seen this year that we went for a 40m bid on Suarez, do you guys really believe its Wenger saying "lets not go over 40mil" or the people who runs the business part of our club (board/director/whatever)?

    I believe our Manager just have enough class to not whine about the utter incompetence of some of his colleagues.
    I'd go along with that. Wenger is just one man and as much as some may believe he does, he doesn't have the time nor the capability to micromanage every single small detail at the club. That's why there are other people working there.

    Personally 70% of my fury is directed towards Gazidis, Dick Law and the other nameless overpaid executives conducting the transfer negotiations. Total fucking incompetence and ineptitude. No planned strategy, no negotiating talent, no gravitas in the market leading to a lack of respect received from other clubs, inability to understand modern day valuations of players .............. their list of failures is endless. As much as Dein was a mong for the whole Wembley thing the guy had the stature, respect and power within the football community to make the transfer window work for us, something we've desperately missed this summer.

    And 30% to Wenger for accepting the situation and not doing more in his considerable power to demand and force through transfers instead of just being content to pick up his 7 million a year and focus on his pet project of bringing in through another team of youngsters.

    We won't know how the club operates unless someone publicly spills the beans which won't happen unless someone resigns and decides to go public, but I'd imagine it's something like this:

    - Wenger and Gazidis/Law discuss possible targets
    - Wenger gives rough estimation of his valuation of the target player
    - Gazidis/Law go to work initiating contact with players representatives/clubs enquiring about availability and table a bid
    - If a club rejects bid, they go to work again tabling another bid until it's accepted or they give up and try another target

    I don't believe the theory either that Wenger personally vetoes any transfer that he feels that are over his valuation. We've overpaid for players in the past pre Emirates move, so I don't see that being a massive issue to Wenger.

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    Yes, we’ve overpaid in wages for shit players and that was before Gazidis and Dick Law. It would be nice to get down to the bottom of what happened when we were spanked to Man Utd and went on the first panic buy. Who hit the panic button and who came up with those targets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AKBapologist View Post
    Jesus, we're becoming a global icon for greed and stinginess. Won't be long before, "Don't be an Arsenal", or, "What a Wenger!", enters the vocabulary as a plea to selfish little kids who won't share their sweets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    We’ve seen massive changes at Board level and ownership. Wenger remains and we have the same problems. As said before, I don’t get how and why the Board would be open to the wage bill going up to a silly level and approving deals for kids based off potential. Who’s telling Dick Law to sign Jack, Ramsey, Ox and Gibbs to long term deals for massive contracts? Who else can tell the them the potential of a player? Before Dick was even here, Wenger signed up Bendy and Denilson to stupid contracts. That’s when he was doing Dein’s role.
    The question is who is to blame? Reasonable observers conclude the entire company management should take a share of the recriminations. This is just common sense devoid of the simple thinking that imagines all we have to do is change the manager and all will be well. Your thinking is flawed. Just because the board has changed doesn't mean the intent of either board differs. To be brutal about it, very different characters can participate in a gang rape but they all have the same intention as they wait to abuse their victim. The change in board coupled with the disrepair of the squad being pushed beyond the pale does signify one thing though, evidently Wenger goes along with this. No manager could ever approach the season so badly prepared unless it was either by design or sheer incompetence. If the latter then the board is 100% to blame. If the former, shame on Wenger and he can stop telling us how much he loves the club.
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    50/50.

    Our dealings over the last eight years have been fine but this is the last straw.

    #everyoneout #mental!!!breakdown #signaliadiere

    The King Is Back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    It makes my head spin trying to think about what the hell is going on at the club, who is responsible for what, why we haven't spent this summer. I don't believe Wenger is blameless but neither do I believe you can blame him solely. What percentage of blame would you assign to who?

    I'll keep this simple by splitting it between 'the board' and Wenger.

    Wenger 70%
    The Board 30%.
    Have done a lot of methodical research into the whole thing and it turns out....it's your fault.

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