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    I think the whole thing has been blown out of proportion and the media have made this story just to sell copies. I mean just look at the reaction from the BBC, "Breaking news, Steve Bruce has backed Ched Evans" but all he said was 'everyone deserves a second chance'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Awful crime he was found guilty of, on that basis he shouldn't be allowed to return to such a high profile profession. Most people with criminal record find it very hard to get any job, never mind one that pays so handsomely and offers so many advantages, why should he be any different.
    Is it really worse than getting blind drunk and crashing your car? #tonyadams.
    No-one was hurt, but that was more luck than judgement.

    Things aren't always black and white.
    There is a difference between dragging women off the streets into dark alleys and raping them at knifepoint and shagging some girl who willingly went to a hotel room with someone in the early hours (did she think they were just going to have a chat?) and later cried rape and was deemed too drunk to give consent.

    Not that I'm condoning what he did, but there are shades of grey. Up to 50, apparently.

    And in most normal professions a conviction is 'spent' after a number of years and no longer has to be declared to a potential employer, it's only the publicity surrounding this which makes that moot.

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    its a post Twitter world. No surprise that Van Persie's still playing. :GP :

    nah chedders, stop protesting your innocent. Even if you are innocent it's not doing you any good. Just leave the country and join another league where either no-ones heard of you. Sick of hearing about it tbh.
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    Letters playing the Devils advocate. Advocate of the devil goes again. Drink driving and killing someone V a cheeky rape. That's a boring one. How about terrorist v rapist?

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    I don't think he's allowed to leave the country until his sentence is up, still another 2 years to go I think.

    TBH if I felt I was wrongly convicted of something I would protest my innocence all day long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Syn View Post
    Letters playing the Devils advocate.
    Well, no.

    You whine about the lack of proper debate on here, one gets going and you WUM instead of joining in

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Well, no.

    You whine about the lack of proper debate on here, one gets going and you WUM instead of joining in
    Yeah fair enough. Great debate so far, look forward to more.

    Just played the debate on PES and this is how it ends:
     
    there is inconsistency in how people are judged, but it depends on where individuals draw the line and how much faith you have in our legal system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    I don't think he's allowed to leave the country until his sentence is up, still another 2 years to go I think.
    Ah, ok. Then I'd just keep my head down. Whether you feel you're innocent or not, whatever he's doing now clearly isn't doing him any favours. Undersrand it's an emotional decision but his advisors should've been more clued up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Is it really worse than getting blind drunk and crashing your car? #tonyadams.
    No-one was hurt, but that was more luck than judgement.

    Things aren't always black and white.
    There is a difference between dragging women off the streets into dark alleys and raping them at knifepoint and shagging some girl who willingly went to a hotel room with someone in the early hours (did she think they were just going to have a chat?) and later cried rape and was deemed too drunk to give consent.

    Not that I'm condoning what he did, but there are shades of grey. Up to 50, apparently.

    And in most normal professions a conviction is 'spent' after a number of years and no longer has to be declared to a potential employer, it's only the publicity surrounding this which makes that moot.
    At the end of the day he's been convicted though, so there must have been some pretty convincing evidence to make the jury believe he was. As for drunk driving, it's not a good thing at all however you don't go out to hurt someone at least so it's not so intentional.

    Sometimes people get women somewhere by telling them certain things they believe will get them what they want, some women maybe believe they are being genuine and even if she did go up to his room doesn't mean she wanted to have sex, it's not unusual to just have a kiss with someone and yet for them not to want to sleep with you. As for him, some ootballers think they are big shots who can do what they like, guess this is a wake up call that they are not above the law.

    As for the sentence, well in reality he hasn't served the entirety of it, he was released early, as they all seem to be. May as well tell them what they will actually serve when sentencing them rather than telling them they are going to serve twice as long when it's not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    Well, no.

    You whine about the lack of proper debate on here, one gets going and you WUM instead of joining in
    The least he could have done was put a link to a crackpot website and said, that's you that is! But he couldn't be bothered to do even that much.
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