perhaps because they already have a debt and repayment structure, they don't want another one alongside it? i dunno. what you say makes sense.Originally Posted by LDG
if the rumours are true then we have effectively offered a similar deal to nas, £90kx12monthsx4 years is just shy of £19m.
These are the most encouraging words I've heard anyone say at Arsenal for a long time. This is exactly how I feel about the squad and our future prospects as a serious club at the top of the game. If Wenger means this and he's not just saying it to placate certain elements of the fan base then I can see some positive things happening.“The message we give out is important. If Fabregas and Nasri leave you cannot pretend you are a big club.
“A big club first of all holds on to its big players and gives a message out to all the other big clubs that they just cannot come in and take them away from you.
“Imagine the worst situation – we lose Fabregas and Nasri. You cannot convince people you are ambitious after that. We have worked very hard with these players for years to develop them and now it’s time for us to keep them together.
“You are the same people who reproach me for not spending money and now you reproach me for wanting to spend it. To find a player of the same quality as Nasri you have to spend the same amount of money, because you cannot lose the player and not replace him.
“Players like him, who are a cut above, are not easy to find today because they are already at big clubs and not available or nobody knows them at the moment.”
First up, if we do keep Nasri for another year then that whole year effectively places him in a £25mill shop window. No better way to see what the lad really has in his locker and he'll be doing the business for us. Because this isn't about long term financial planning, as we've seen that shit doesn't work in football. It's a nice theory that has no place in the real world. If the balance sheet is tarted up by running down the team then the balance sheet itself will also fizzle out because revenue will fall in line with the poor results on the pitch. So is £25mill for Nasri worth it? Well it's not £25mill is it, because we don't have a £20mill fee from his sale sitting in the bank, it's money we don't and never have so how can we say it is lost? We'd have to pay him the extra money anyway even if he signed a contract, so I'm not seeing how keeping the guy represents a £25mill loss. Not in real money terms. Plus if he did leave then he'd have to be replaced, so the fee would be in one hand and out the other, and who knows what we'd get in return.
What we're doing is paying an opportunity cost. By keeping him we forego a transfer fee and the opportunity to sign a replacement who would offer longer term stability because he'd be on a longer contract. Weighing up the opportunity cost is a fundamental part of business, the risk takers and winners are prepared to pay dearly in this respect because they can see a big payoff at the end of the process. So what's our payoff, what would be worth £20mill?
Telling City to fuck off, saying to them - "Hey, you thought you were going to buy your way in and replace Arsenal in the top flight. Wrong fuckers, keep your money and we'll see you on the pitch next season." I'd add the word, "cunts", to that but Wenger is probably too polite.
Telling Man Utd to fuck off - "Wrong Ferguson, we aren't quite dead yet and we'll be on your arse all next season guaranteed. Plus we've decided not to offer you an easy replacement for Scholes at our expense, sorry, try again."
Telling Cesc Fabregas that balls are required to win trophies and for a big and ballsy kick off we'll be keeping our best players, demanding they pay back the huge money they take every week by putting their mouth where that money is on the pitch, and actually strengthening the team this year rather than chipping away at it as usual.
To the rest of the team, "Fuck the money, this is about winning - are you in or out? Some of you said you wanted to leave to win trophies, well now there's no need because we're winning them here. And if we're winning all the fucking trophies then it stands reason there's no point going anywhere else because there won't be enough trophies to go around."
To the media, "Fuck you, write us off all you want but we'll shove those words up your phone-tapping fucking arses by next May - okay?"
That's what's been missing at this club. We've been moaning like cheap whores about financial doping, teams that kick us off the pitch, moan, moan, moan. We can do it again if we want, go into a new season having sold key players, failed to replace them because we don't have the money, accepted 4th place as our fate before a ball is kicked. But that's not what this game is about. £20mill to stop the rot and turn the attitude that has dragged the club down? I'd pay that. Let Nasri leave next year if he wants, provided he puts in the graft this year to secure the title. And he'll have to do that if he wants the big wages and the big transfer fee, if he puts in a shit year then those numbers tumble as his brand loses appeal. But put in a stormer and not only can he take care of unfinished business at Arsenal but he can probably bank even more next year. If I was his advisor and he was forced to stay I wouldn't be telling him to cut his nose off to spite his face.
When Wenger is wrong he's wrong, but when he's right he's right and he's spot on in what he's saying here. I hope we, from the boardroom through the dressing room and out into the stands, have the balls to back this attitude being displayed by Wenger because that's how he'll dust off his tarnished star, that's how we really will rise back into the top ranks and that's how we'll finally put a trophy in the cabinet - by having balls, taking risks and just fucking going for it minus all the whining and self doubt.
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All of that sounds good mate -- but the problem was letting his contract run down to 1 year. That was stupid! Cutting our losses is the right thing to do now.
We should have told him to sign or be sold when he had two years left; not when he doesn't fuc*k anymore and wants to leave.
So are you happy to pay him 20mil for next season for him to put in half-hearted shifts or sit on the bench? Let's use our heads here, the damage has been done!
‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’
The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!
maaaaadddddddd chilllsssssssss brooooooooo
i could just hear the howls of derision if he was flogged last summer and for all we know, when the contract was put in front of him, different noises could've been made by the player and agent.
he has a euro 2012 to aim for as well as keeping himself in the shop window for the top tier clubs, so there is plenty of selfish motivation if nothing else.
Damn, that's some Braveheart type speech there!
Come on you, Gooners!!! (Beats chest). lol
But, Wenger is talking sense here and I'm glad he's said something that we've all been saying. We can't sell Cesc and Nasri in one window and expect to carry on as normal. It's a terrible message to send out.
I'm not so sure about letting Nasri run down his contract, but truth be told, the money is worthless to us because we won't spend it. Not on the right type of player anyway.
That's more positive from Wenger.
you play tough when the chips are in your hands -- not when you are in a lose-lose situation.
we can do that cesc because he has got a lot of time left on his contract -- he has no choice but to perform or rot for another 3 years.
it will be stupid to try that with Nasri because we don't have that luxury -- not like city/united/chelsea anyway who have quality in depth so won't give a fuc*k.
I say sell him -- buy a 30mil quality replacement. But you see, therein lies the rub -- the money will be pocketed; AW wont spend it. There are players of nasri's level out there -- he's not been anything special anyway.
As for the Euro 2012, I doubt nasri will have to shine that much to get into the france team -- he is considered a future cog in the team anyway.
‘Arsene was very cautious and David was very ambitious for the club,’ said former director Keith Edelman, managing director at the time. ‘He was very good at getting Arsene into a position where he was comfortable spending money.’
The board have said if wenger identifies a player he really wants and he needs the money it's there. Wenger doesn't think it's worth it!
It's time for you to join the Mindless Optimism Clique™. We are prepared to offer you Bendtner's 52k wages, as long as you don't hold us to ransom and leave us to join the scummy Asian Clique next summer.
Nice take on it NQ. And I think you may have a point.
The only thing that worries me in all of that is Nasri's committment. If we're sat here next summer rummaging through the wreckage, and Nasri has pissed off, having done fuck all for the cause, questions would have to be asked as to why we didn't take the money and sell the ladyboy.
Regards Cesc, from that point of view, I agree. It's his style of play that pisses me off. But as Wenger isn't changing his philosophy, it's best we keep him IMO. If he was going to change the way we play, and add some much needed directness, pace and power, I'd get rid...but he's the only truly world class midfielder that can possibly run the game for us with that style of football.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
the only prob is that Cesc alone running the game for us is obvioulsy not enough........
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