Summary from AST meeting

[LDG]

quote you in the other thread about this. if nas rumours are true, we've put a deal worth just short of £19m on the table, for basic wages that he hasn't signed.

there is complete football sense in wanting to keep hold of one of your best players. this is the game i thought he would play. if nas won't sign, keep him here, get a good season out of him, let chelsea and man u get their creative players they need elsewhere and let him go abroad next season.

given that nas wouldn't sign the contract that has been on the table since last summer, then something has to give for the club here. either to a competitor, losing money or weakening the squad. it's all about the lesser of two evils and given the criticism he has faced about caring for business over football, then in this case, he doesn't seem he is.

I get what you're saying, but do you really think he's going to put 100% into trying to push Arsenal forward in his final year?? I mean, if we sold now, and went for, say, Mata (yeah I know it's unlikely)....would we not get the same return (a year settling to consider), but for someone who has a comittment to the club going forward?

It sends some good messages out, i.e., we won't be pushed around. But when you consider that we're effectively getting one year from someone who's comittment is questionable, for what we could get over a foure year period, it doesn't add up.

Of the 30mil quoted as transfer funds / player contract improvements, does this include provision for Nasri, or have we spent 20 mil of that already on a player who doesn't want to be here....

[Xhaka Can’t]

I have to agree with LDG.

We saw some absolutely cracking first class football from Nasri - wonderful stuff. But only when things were going well.

Think back to how he performed last season as a whole. Do we really want another season of that? I simply don't think it is worth the risk of having him play out the last season of his contract, hoping he replicates his 3 months of excellent form for a longer period this season.

It is often said that it is not how you start a season, but rather how you finish it that counts. This is a particularly apt statement to make in respect of Nasri.

If he doesn't sign, he has to go.

[Kano]

I get what you're saying, but do you really think he's going to put 100% into trying to push Arsenal forward in his final year?? I mean, if we sold now, and went for, say, Mata (yeah I know it's unlikely)....would we not get the same return (a year settling to consider), but for someone who has a comittment to the club going forward?

It sends some good messages out, i.e., we won't be pushed around. But when you consider that we're effectively getting one year from someone who's comittment is questionable, for what we could get over a foure year period, it doesn't add up.

Of the 30mil quoted as transfer funds / player contract improvements, does this include provision for Nasri, or have we spent 20 mil of that already on a player who doesn't want to be here....

i'd like to think he's professional enough to, he hasn't shown anything on the field to show that he would act in such a way. sure, there was a dip in performance after the cc final but that was a general malaise across the whole team, not just him individually.

we could sell now to a domestic rival but how many people would get on the clubs back for doing that too? its a not a clear win situation anymore, something has to give somewhere. he wants to keep him and seems to be trying to convince him to sign but nas can't be forced to. the desire to get him on a four year deal is clearly there.

i'm still confused about the whole 25m being lost if we keep nas and eating up the transfer funds. i dont see how ast have come to that conclusion.

[Boss]

AST are suggesting if we keep him and he goes in a year's time for nothing, we lose the 22M quoted that we'd get for him now + roughly 20M on a replacement.

Given that if he goes in a year's time his replacement will be Diaby/Vela, they might be wrong on the second part...

[LDG]

i'd like to think he's professional enough to, he hasn't shown anything on the field to show that he would act in such a way. sure, there was a dip in performance after the cc final but that was a general malaise across the whole team, not just him individually.

we could sell now to a domestic rival but how many people would get on the clubs back for doing that too? its a not a clear win situation anymore, something has to give somewhere. he wants to keep him and seems to be trying to convince him to sign but nas can't be forced to. the desire to get him on a four year deal is clearly there.

i'm still confused about the whole 25m being lost if we keep nas and eating up the transfer funds. i dont see how ast have come to that conclusion.

I think the general gist, is that we have a pot of 30mil for next season's transfer kitty. I.e. this is what the board make available (every year??) for contract renegotiations, and player purchases. I'm guessing this is not about this years funding.

We obviously bolster that by selling (the part about the selling after three years).

What they're saying, is that if we keep Nasri for a year, and allow him to go for free, we're effectively paying out the 20mil you cite as his potential contract extention, as we don't recoup a fee for him. We then need to replace the cunt....which for a player of his quality, requires investment of AT LEAST 20mil....

If we signed him up again, 20 mil would be spent, but we have the player under contract, and a sell on fee in future, OR, four years if him comitted to trying to win Arsenal trophies. If we let him go for free, we have to spend 20mil to replace him...no return.

[Kano]

AST are suggesting if we keep him and he goes in a year's time for nothing, we lose the 22M quoted that we'd get for him now + roughly 20M on a replacement.

Given that if he goes in a year's time his replacement will be Diaby/Vela, they might be wrong on the second part...

so that extra 22m quoted now would be in addition to the £30m kitty they say is available, or inclusive? and if we spend £20m on a replacement, would that come out of next years kitty?

[Boss]

so that extra 22m quoted now would be in addition to the £30m kitty they say is available, or inclusive? and if we spend £20m on a replacement, would that come out of next years kitty?

From what I understand, the 22M would be added to the 30M for this year and the replacement money would come out of next year's transfer fund, yes.

The 30M for new transfers and wage increases doesn't include money we bring in from player sales.

[LDG]

More simply (albeit very vaguely).

Nasri stays and signs new deal, 4 years:

Tansfer/contact pot = 120Million
Less 15mil contract extention (assuming sale after 3 years) = 105Million
Sale value 20million? = 125Million

Nasri fucks off next season (net 4 year effect):

Transfer Pot =120Million
Sale proceeds nil = 120Million
New player of same worth 20mil = 100Million
New player contract 3 years @ 70k = 89Million

Difference is quite considerable....

[Kano]

so if we keep nas, then we are not losing money from this years kitty, so that is £19m left, with gerv coming in.

still with walcott and rvp to renegotiate too...