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Thread: Winter Transfer Speculation and Shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice View Post
    It sounds like you are arguing the case for inverted wingers. I don't think you need to.

    My precise reservation is the case for Theo playing as an inverted winger rather than the principle behind it in itself.

    The articles are a little secondary to the fact that we have precedent for the inverted winger at this very club in Pires....if you will excuse the fact Pires was not so much a winger as he was a wide midfielder. The point is, we all know it can work.

    So the question remains....if the manger was one of the first on these shores to really put faith in it and he has done it before, why would he not do it with Theo?

    It should also be stated that we cannot really be sure Wenger has not tried this out in one of his many short training drills/exercises/games. It strikes me that it is a thing to do in training/preseason and we don't know that Wenger hasn't actually given it a trial behind the scenes.

    For all his sins, he's not exactly the most closed manager to the idea of playing players in a position they haven't always played.
    This is one of the many mysteries with Wenger. He'll experiment with a certain group of players but not for all. When we signed Reyes, a natural left footer, he'd play him down the left and I could never understand why he'd play a left footer on the left after we had players like Overmars and Pires operating so effectively as inverted wingers. Reyes had a few early games down the right or up front during the Invincible season, scored that belter against Chelsea but for the following season he never played up front or on the right again. I never understood that even though Wenger said his future was as a striker. Sound familiar? Reyes is a much better dribble than Theo as well. Henry was never great at scoring with his head, we've never been a team that relies on crossers, so I never understood why we'd have Reyes driving down the chalk side of the line to deliver out swinging crosses? He'd have been dangerous driving in, hitting shots or slipping in through balls to Henry.

    There are plenty of examples of Wenger being reluctant to play players a certain way. Wiltord was never happy playing on the right wing and wanted games up front with Henry. He only got a handful of games up front and I believe that was when his contract was running low. Sound familiar again? Vela would get games up front for the Carling Cup but when he featured in the league he'd always feature down the left wing where he really struggled to make any impact. He never once tried him on the opposite flank and now he's moved to Spain he operates on the right instead of the left and doing much better. It took Wenger an age to try Diaby as a central midfield player, Eduardo playing on the flanks instead of up front, Song getting games as a CB whilst Denilson is stinking up the joint as DM....Hleb used to play a silly amount of games on the right when we played a 4-4-2.

    Rosicky is a very talented player and when fit he never played him in the middle with Cesc. On the left wing, he was okay but lacked that drive and aggression to go for goals. It was the same with Nasri. Playmakers that would be best suited in the middle. As soon as we signed him and I thought we'd switch to 4-3-3 but we switched years later and now that Cesc is gone, we're seeing Rosicky in the middle now. Abundance of energy and no slouch in the tackle. It would have been immense. As said, I can't understand Wenger sometimes and he can be very rigid.

    I'm getting side tracked. Back to Theo and this also applies to Podolski. It's worth looking at their function on the flanks. Playing down that side hasn't helped their dribbling and ball carrying ability. Neither of them try to create space for themselves and are very dependent on one twos to get space. If played into space, they're either having to whip in a cross to a crowded box or go back on themselves to play in a fullback. When moving away from the chalk and playing closer inside, they'll play off the shoulder of the defender and won't get involved with the build up play that much, Theo especially. When struggling to create chances, they can both have some seriously quiet games. They have some fantastic numbers when it comes to assists and goals because they're class players and make do from a small number of chances. But I can't see the benefit of playing them like traditional wingers; not in the way we play as squad. If they drove the defenders back with tricky dribbling and opened space in the middle for crowed games, I'd understand. I can understand why he'd play Ox, Gnarby or even Ryo on the right for example. But if we're looking for them to get beyond the line of the defender like a traditional striker but out wide, then why would it be wrong to switch them to opposite flanks?

    Pires was a different animal, a good ball player, fantastic feet but I'm not suggesting they could replicate that. As someone else mentioned, Theo won't always get played through because teams won't always play a highline. But isn't the same true now? Don't we struggle as much when teams sit deep? The little space we do get results in a ball crossed high or low to Giroud and the percentages for him winning the ball in the air when it's crowded out like that always favour against him. I'm not sure on the numbers but for accurate shooters like Podolski and Walcott, they don't get enough shots on goal and are lucky to get one good shooting opportunity a game.

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    Arsenal have had an €8m (£6.6m) bid for Alexandre Pato rejected. Corinthians want €12m (£10m). [Lancenet]

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    Nah
    NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.


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    A former golden boy winner, i think Wenger could get him back on the right track. For 12m i would give it a go

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    I'd rather get Morata on loan than Pato

    Still hoping we can get Suarez though

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    Suarez is long gone I'm afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munchies View Post
    I'd rather get Morata on loan than Pato

    Still hoping we can get Suarez though
    Morata definitely would be a good shout, definitely a goal scorer more than creater and that is something we need. Although Suarez would mean he could play CL and also with him, who could stop us now.....

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    Liverpool is just about worse club you could piss off as a player. Suarez has absolutely no choice but to play and play well. If he was at any other club, he could force his way out by sulking and playing shit, not listening to the manager etc. Liverpool are exactly the club to cut off their collective nose to spite their face and make him ride the pine until his contract runs out.

    Forget about us signing Suarez. They'd sooner hand him to Chelsea now. If he goes he'll go to Real Madrid or summat for £60m+ in the summer but realistically they'll make him stay. Something admirable about that IMO. Players have been fucking us about for years.

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    Youssouf Mulumbu.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/...ansfer-rumours

    The Congolese international has apparently caught Arsenal's attention and may be subjected to a frosty reception at training this morning, having announcing his intention to leave West Brom during the January transfer window in terms that were less than complimentary.

    "I have had approaches from Arsenal," said Mulumbu. "I could leave this winter. This is the right time for me to set my sights higher. I'm ready to join a top four club.
    Don't see the sense in this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munchies View Post
    I'd rather get Morata on loan than Pato
    We might be going for both. Morata can also play on the left.

    Pato for £6.6m is a no-brainer.

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