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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Sanchez isn't an out and out striker, he's more of a winger/attacking midfielder, scores plenty of goals but we still need an out and out 25 goal striker and Sanchez is not him.
    Nor was Henry when we bought him. Because of our disaster of a manager, we will have to do whats best to try & break defenses down. The tippy tappy football that everyone knows how to defend against is all that Wenger seems to know so we will have to get on with it until the clown leaves. If it means we have to play Sanchez up top because he's the only one that offers the movement to open up tight defenses that that's what he'll have to do but the problem is that I couldn't even rely on Wenger to identify that solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    I really don't know how you rate Welbeck over Walcott. I don't see it at all. Welbeck had no effect on the way we played when up front. Still can't play him in behind the striker because his movement is poor and his link up play wasn't that great either. He just seemed anonymous for most games. I'll give him a chance over Giroud based on potential but I don't think he's better than Giroud. For most of our players there is something there. Even Sanogo. If that kid could sharpen up his first touches and have more zip in shot we'd have our man. His link up play with the team is very good, it's just the other areas. With Welbeck, I can't say he excels at anything besides being a nice lad. He works hard but it's nothing exceptional.

    Also, speaking of development, there is a reason why Sturridge left Chelsea and Welbeck Utd. They were tired of playing on the flanks and weren't progressing. It's a similar story for Theo but he's actually progressed as a player in that position but not to his full potential. I don't know what striker in this day and age gets his training on the flanks and I think Wenger has led him wrong.
    As you say the only thing about Welbeck is his work rate, fair play to him he rolls his sleeves up but he has about the same level as finesse as Giroud...but without being able to hold up the ball

    Can play wide to stretch the game as he has pace to burn but that's it

    Sanogo is 22, which means he is too old to to improve in terms of a better first touch....another player who works his nuts off as well, but he seems to have barely mastered bipedal movement and often runs as if he has muscle rickets.

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    What possessed him to spend 16 million on Wellbeck, a player who couldn't cut it at Man U and who's finishing has been poor throughout his career, especially when we already had Giroud who is an average finisher, Walcott who once again isn't capable of taken the chances when they come to him regularly and Sanogo who just can't shoot.

    Was he trying to put together the worst group of strikers in PL history? If so get the champagne out because he might well have a good chance of picking up that trophy.

    Wenger doesn't seem to like players who as good as guarantee you goals, he seems to want to find those that don't in the hope he can turn them into the new Henry, guess what though, that happens once in a lifetime and Wenger's used up all of his lucky punts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    Do you seriously believe the things you say?
    What part of the post you quoted do you disagree with?

    Edit: Oh, and yes. Obviously, I do. And if you stopped acting like a toddler and tried thinking and looking at what I'm saying you would too. You just disagree with anything I write by default these days whether you actually agree with it or not. I doubt you even bothered reading the post you quoted before replying with that kneejerk nonsense. Let me break it down for you, see if that helps. This is my post you quoted, bit by bit:

    We needed to spend proper money on a proper striker.
    Do you disagree with this?

    I don't know whether we failed to because we didn't try enough, because the players weren't available, or didn't want to come to us or whether Wenger is simply putting his trust in the players he has.
    Again, which part of that do you disagree with? I've no idea why he didn't get his man. None of us do.

    Either way on his head be it if we fail to challenge again.
    Is that the bit you disagree with? I doubt it.

    but signing another player with potential, or signing another 'Welbeck' for the sake of having another player wasn't the answer.
    That is the only part of the post you quoted you may dispute. Personally I think we have a big enough squad, numbers-wise.
    What we do need, particularly up front, is more quality. And signing some kid with 'potential' or another player at the level of Welbeck isn't going to improve us so personally I'm not bothered that we didn't. I am more bothered we didn't sign proper quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Globalgunner View Post
    as bad as England are, Welbeck has scored goals playing for them. Even ye old England manager is not stupid enough to play Walcott as a striker. This is not a shout out for Welbeck but he would be a better coice as striker than Walcott. he has almost all of Walcotts pace with a physical presence added. He needs to add composure which both he and walcott both lack. Giroud could be a monster player, but he is not a warrior, gets easily cowed by defenders, has no pace , no tricks and is one footed. He is also not going to get any better with age, Welbeck might.
    That all sounds great but Welbeck had a long run up front for us and managed 5 goals and 2 assists in a 14 game run from September to early December. Break it down further, he had 16 starts as a striker and could only manage to score on 4 separate occasions. Is that good enough?

    The pace and physical element he's supposed to bring to our game is all theory. We looked no better with him in the team compared to Giroud because he didn't provide a different sort of threat. His England record is impressive but that's for England and Peter Crouch has a fantastic record for England.

    With Theo, I won't go into what he might be capable of, I'll just say his goal scoring record and assists from a wide position are better than Welbecks. As striker, Theo scored 4 goals in 2 games as striker last season. The longest run Theo has ever had as striker was 2012/13 and he played 5 back to back games scored 4 with 4 assists. A hattrick against Newcastle and 1 goal against Reading plus assists in the other games besides the City game. He has a lot to learn about playing as striker but he's scored more goals up front than Welbeck in a shorter space of time. In recent years we're talking 8 games as striker and he's scored 8 goals. Those are the facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Özim View Post
    Sanchez isn't an out and out striker, he's more of a winger/attacking midfielder, scores plenty of goals but we still need an out and out 25 goal striker and Sanchez is not him.
    Out of all the candidates, I think Sanchez is the one that could be a superstar goalscorer. I'm not comparing him to Messi but comparing the transition from a wide position to the centre. I don't think Wenger will play him there anytime soon because he likes to hold the ball in the opponents possession and likes a striker that can play the percentage passes over someone that makes runs at defenders or takes risks.

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    You judge far too many things in fantasy football points, PnG. In reality, all that's important is what's best for the team. Walcott and Ramsey are selfish cunts and they'll get goals and assists. It doesn't mean the team performs any better. I agree Walcott has a slight edge over Welbeck, but neither seem like good bets to do well for Arsenal. If Walcott stays injury free and starts putting the team first, the situation changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Out of all the candidates, I think Sanchez is the one that could be a superstar goalscorer. I'm not comparing him to Messi but comparing the transition from a wide position to the centre. I don't think Wenger will play him there anytime soon because he likes to hold the ball in the opponents possession and likes a striker that can play the percentage passes over someone that makes runs at defenders or takes risks.
    I tend to agree out of all the possible people that can conceivably play up front Sanchez has been experimented with least in that area. For me he habitually cuts inside anyway and usually he doesn't get muscled off the ball without a defender giving away a free kick, that's what I like about him he runs with the ball and draws fouls rather than passing into congestion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letters View Post
    What part of the post you quoted do you disagree with?

    Edit: Oh, and yes. Obviously, I do. And if you stopped acting like a toddler and tried thinking and looking at what I'm saying you would too. You just disagree with anything I write by default these days whether you actually agree with it or not. I doubt you even bothered reading the post you quoted before replying with that kneejerk nonsense. Let me break it down for you, see if that helps. This is my post you quoted, bit by bit:



    Do you disagree with this?



    Again, which part of that do you disagree with? I've no idea why he didn't get his man. None of us do.



    Is that the bit you disagree with? I doubt it.



    That is the only part of the post you quoted you may dispute. Personally I think we have a big enough squad, numbers-wise.
    What we do need, particularly up front, is more quality. And signing some kid with 'potential' or another player at the level of Welbeck isn't going to improve us so personally I'm not bothered that we didn't. I am more bothered we didn't sign proper quality.
    I disagree with the fact that you are giving Wenger 'another chance' after the shambles this summer has been. Very few (if any) on here are saying that we shouldve signed someone for the sake of signing someone... people cant wrap their head around why he wouldnt sign or even attempt to sign proper back ups like Wanayama, Vidal, Schneiderlin etc. Majority on GW are sick of his quotes of "We will only sign top top quality" and then going and signing a Sanogo or Kallstrom.

    And yes, I disagree with pretty much anything you have to say regarding Arsenal... thats because what you are saying is wrong.

    PS: I want you to prove me wrong... but we all know that aint happening.
    Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..

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    Quote Originally Posted by fakeyank View Post
    I disagree with the fact that you are giving Wenger 'another chance' after the shambles this summer has been.
    I didn't say anything about that in the post you quoted.

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