Summer Transfer Speculation and Shit

[Ollie the Optimist]

Like Higuain wasn't smokescreen? How can you be so sure that this is genuine?

Until everything is official, we might as well sit tight. In a few weeks we may find that we haven't even made a bid for him.

Well Liverpool have confirmed we made a bid for him so that's pretty genuine to me.

The reason I think this is a genuine bid, rather then a bluff, is that the bid is too high, so if it was to scare Madrid amd say we won't play your games about giving your more money, it's too high a bid as it show Madrid we have 30 million. 30 odd million is a realistic bid too, Suarez is not a 40 million pound player, no matter what Liverpool say, 30 million is realistic, as he wants out, if puts a request in it could make a 35 million pound bid acceptable.

I think the interest is genuine, and the bid is real, we know that, however we do have to wait and see.

[Ollie the Optimist]

really interested to see how some people will defend the Club and Wenger when we enter the season with no new signings.

Probably say something like we have a deal with the selling clubs to announce them the next year so that we can secure other players in the January window or something.

Of people will most likely see what happens and judge on that rather then just following an agenda now

[Özim]

We have absolutely no chance of getting Suarez, even if the bid is real (I'm not convinced) we must know that so it's a pretty safe bet. Liverpool won't sell him for that price and won't want to sell to an English club, in addition they don't want to sell him and I doubt he'd choose to move to us when bigger more successful clubs would be interested.

A pointless bid basically.

[Kano]

Well Liverpool have confirmed we made a bid for him so that's pretty genuine to me.

The reason I think this is a genuine bid, rather then a bluff, is that the bid is too high, so if it was to scare Madrid amd say we won't play your games about giving your more money, it's too high a bid as it show Madrid we have 30 million. 30 odd million is a realistic bid too, Suarez is not a 40 million pound player, no matter what Liverpool say, 30 million is realistic, as he wants out, if puts a request in it could make a 35 million pound bid acceptable.

I think the interest is genuine, and the bid is real, we know that, however we do have to wait and see.

i don't know where you dream these little power games up, I really don't.

Just looking from the outside, they paid £25mill for him, so they won't be looking for a 5m mark up seeing as he is one of the biggest talents in world football right now, combined with the fact he is a Premiership player, so a premium valuation gets added to the blue ribbon players. Also throw in that Liverpool will see us as rivals, as silly as it sounds to many Arsenal fans, that is how they will call it, based on decades of history. So they are not going to sell cheap just on that basis alone - 40m to madrid is feasible but its even higher for a domestic 'rival'.

suarez would be a mistake. brilliant player, without doubt. but apart from the trouble you would guarantee in a year or two max he would be itching to move on to barca/madrid and co.

[Özim]

Well Liverpool have confirmed we made a bid for him so that's pretty genuine to me.

The reason I think this is a genuine bid, rather then a bluff, is that the bid is too high, so if it was to scare Madrid amd say we won't play your games about giving your more money, it's too high a bid as it show Madrid we have 30 million. 30 odd million is a realistic bid too, Suarez is not a 40 million pound player, no matter what Liverpool say, 30 million is realistic, as he wants out, if puts a request in it could make a 35 million pound bid acceptable.

I think the interest is genuine, and the bid is real, we know that, however we do have to wait and see.

He's signed a new contract fairly recently, has shown himself to be a top top striker and Liverpool don't want to sell. So yeah he's worth 40 million.

[Ollie the Optimist]

We have absolutely no chance of getting Suarez, even if the bid is real (I'm not convinced) we must know that so it's a pretty safe bet. Liverpool won't sell him for that price and won't want to sell to an English club, in addition they don't want to sell him and I doubt he'd choose to move to us when bigger more successful clubs would be interested.

A pointless bid basically.

i assume zimm, whenever you have bought a house or a car etc, you go straight in with what asking price right?

we'e a bigger club then liverpool right now, thats attractive to suarez, we have champions league football, they are fighting for 7th place. we can use that to convince him and he has already said he wants to leave liverpool. madrid have mentioned him but so far the only club to have bid for him, is us. so no its not a pointless bid at all, it could turn out to be, and knowing us, most likely will be, but right now, it is far from a pointless bid

[Özim]

i assume zimm, whenever you have bought a house or a car etc, you go straight in with what asking price right?

we'e a bigger club then liverpool right now, thats attractive to suarez, we have champions league football, they are fighting for 7th place. we can use that to convince him and he has already said he wants to leave liverpool. madrid have mentioned him but so far the only club to have bid for him, is us. so no its not a pointless bid at all, it could turn out to be, and knowing us, most likely will be, but right now, it is far from a pointless bid

It's not a fair comparison at all, a seller just wants a certain amount of cash for his asset (rarely is there a bidding war)...however with a player there's other things involved, like not wanting to sell to a rival, a player not wanting to move somewhere......and in this case the club not wanting to sell.

Don't fool yourself into thinking we're attractive to Suarez, there's much bigger clubs who would be interested, clubs who sign top players, spend big and do anything to achieve success and achieve success.

We have no chance of signing him.

[Ollie the Optimist]

It's not a fair comparison at all, a seller just wants a certain amount of cash for his asset (rarely is there a bidding war)...however with a player there's other things involved, like not wanting to sell to a rival, a player not wanting to move somewhere......and in this case the club not wanting to sell.

Don't fool yourself into thinking we're attractive to Suarez, there's much bigger clubs who would be interested, clubs who sign top players, spend big and do anything to achieve success and achieve success.

We have no chance of signing him.

bidding for a house etc and player is not different. if you bid for a house, and put in a low offer you are just doing what arsenal do which you constantly moan about, very hypocritical

yes there are bigger clubs, but out of the english clubs, we are only ones linked with him, and right now, we are bigger then liverpool. when was the last time they actually challenged us for top four? years ago, therefore we are a step up, and he might feel that he has unfinished buisness in england.
out of the other clubs, madrid are only ones to be seriously linked, and they havnt bid, we have. that puts us in pole position to an extent. liverpool might not want to sell, however suarez has said he wants to leave.

[Özim]

bidding for a house etc and player is not different. if you bid for a house, and put in a low offer you are just doing what arsenal do which you constantly moan about, very hypocritical

yes there are bigger clubs, but out of the english clubs, we are only ones linked with him, and right now, we are bigger then liverpool. when was the last time they actually challenged us for top four? years ago, therefore we are a step up, and he might feel that he has unfinished buisness in england.
out of the other clubs, madrid are only ones to be seriously linked, and they havnt bid, we have. that puts us in pole position to an extent. liverpool might not want to sell, however suarez has said he wants to leave.

It's completely different, you put in a lower offer in the hope it might be accepted based on circumstances on the seller (which you don't know about). With high profile footballers you know the deal, you know if a club wants to sell, you know the rough value of a player and thus you know low bids will get you nowhere. Don't fool yourself into thinking this could happen, it won't even if this alleged bid is real....Higuain if we did bid for him (not sure this is real either) is more realistic.

Maybe however that doesn't really matter, I don't get the impression he wants to stay in England anyway from his comments, he pretty much said he feels victimised.

We're not in pole position at all, as said before we have no chance, we won't bid enough for them to accept, he would rather move elsewhere and they won't want to sell to an English club if they do. Don't fool yourself into thinking this can happen (even if the alleged bid is real), it won't, Higuain would be more realistic (again if the bid is real, pretty sceptical about that as well now).

[LDG]

Would much prefer Higuain tbh.

In any case, I tend to hold a slightly different view on stuff anyway. Personally, I think we need a striker, but that striker is only because we're short on bodies.

Yes, I want said striker to be very good, but I'm not sold that he needs to be a 30-40 million pound player, necessarily.

What we lack, is a couple of players who are genuine game changers. They don't HAVE to be strikers, and all the media shite is focused soley on business related to strikers.

We will score goals, we always do. We did last year, even without a high quality front man. The reason being is that we attack from all angles, not just through the middle.

So, to my mind, a top striker is needed, but not necessarily one which blows a big hole in the budget (if there is one, and they're not going to stuff their own pockets with it).

Personally (and I keep saying it), we need a magic winger with bags of creativity, and we need another worldy in the centre of midfield. Can either be a more defensive minded player, or a creative player. It's the presence we need in there, because you put balance around a couple of quality players, you get a team which starts challenging for trophies.