Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Özim]

I think human nature dictates that motivation to be the best only comes so far from within, it requires encouragement and sometimes a push from others

Wenger had that from Dein and Fiszman....now he only has himself a man at the end of his career, how many men of retirement age are open to new ideas and new ways of doing things....he is in fact relying on his own instincts and no-one to suggest to him that there is any other way of doing things.
Is he being selfish by not realising this and stepping down? Probably but again that just makes him a human being we all can be hubristic and stubborn especially when there is no-one to keep us grounded.

He's gone 12 years without a title, there's his management record to think about and the fact he must know people think he's not up to the job anymore and proving them wrong. Problem is he doesn't seem to care about the football side much, he only seems to care about the finances, Ferguson kept himself motivated, he was a winner not content with coming 2nd, when the billionaires arrived he saw that as a challenge, a mountain he had to climb and he did so.

Wenger just doesn't care about on the field success enough, he's become use to losing and it no longer hurts the way it did when we only lost occasionally and were competitive, even thumpings which most top managers would be embarassed about are all in a days works for Wenger, it doesn't phase him.

Money is his motivator, making money for the club, for himself and making sure there's a profit at the end of the season, whether we succeed on the pitch is neither here nor there for him.

[Özim]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gunners/com..._exloanee_kim/

It worth a read. Arseblog mentioned this some weeks back.

Wenger to a tea, cheap and happy to accept mediocrity

The transfer windows shuts in a few hours. It's impossible to find a replacement. Either I take you or no one.'

Pretty awful planning to have to settle for an injured player because you've left it to the last minute and haven't done your homework, he's cheap and complacent, there's been quite a few very questionable signings over the years, but very few too quality ones, for all his words about only signing super super quality players who are better than what we have, that's rarely ever been the case.

[Niall_Quinn]

Does anyone else here think we have a one man band physically doing everything?

No, don't be so silly. Stan takes care of buying the ranches, Wenger has nothing to do with that.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

He's gone 12 years without a title, there's his management record to think about and the fact he must know people think he's not up to the job anymore and proving them wrong. Problem is he doesn't seem to care about the football side much, he only seems to care about the finances, Ferguson kept himself motivated, he was a winner not content with coming 2nd, when the billionaires arrived he saw that as a challenge, a mountain he had to climb and he did so.

Wenger just doesn't care about on the field success enough, he's become use to losing and it no longer hurts the way it did when we only lost occasionally and were competitive, even thumpings which most top managers would be embarassed about are all in a days works for Wenger, it doesn't phase him.

Money is his motivator, making money for the club, for himself and making sure there's a profit at the end of the season, whether we succeed on the pitch is neither here nor there for him.

In Wenger's mind the years between 2005 and 2014 were a success because he kept the club in the top four which it needed during a period of being financially squeezed.

There is no question his hunger and desire has dulled, but again the comparison to Ferguson doesn't work because Ferguson would have been sacked by Manchester United long before he had gone nine years without a major trophy

[Özim]

In Wenger's mind the years between 2005 and 2014 were a success because he kept the club in the top four which it needed during a period of being financially squeezed.

There is no question his hunger and desire has dulled, but again the comparison to Ferguson doesn't work because Ferguson would have been sacked by Manchester United long before he had gone nine years without a major trophy

In historical terms those aren't achievements unlike the more tangible trophies, coming 4th isn't going to be remembered in 20 years time, so he might think it's an achievement but history doesn't and it won't appear on his management record anywhere and won't count when considering who are the best managers ever.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

In historical terms those aren't achievements unlike the more tangible trophies, coming 4th isn't going to be remembered in 20 years time, so he might think it's an achievement but history doesn't and it won't appear on his management record anywhere and won't count when considering who are the best managers ever.

No but i think in 20 years time at the very worst he will be remembered as the manager who won us three titles early on in his time at the club, and kept us on a sure footing even though he stayed at the club too long.

Despite there being a very sour relationship between him and the fans currently, long term he still isn't in that much immediate danger of damaging his legacy.

[Özim]

No but i think in 20 years time at the very worst he will be remembered as the manager who won us three titles early on in his time at the club, and kept us on a sure footing even though he stayed at the club too long.

Despite there being a very sour relationship between him and the fans currently, long term he still isn't in that much immediate danger of damaging his legacy.

To put it bluntly 3 titles in 20 years isn't a great achievement, it's fairly average, when people look back at his record people will wonder what the fuss was about because his record is anything amazing on paper, I'll give you he won cups as well, but as we know those aren't valued in the same way these days.

[Power n Glory]

It's one man making all the decisions and calling all the shots on every minutiae of detail, which is micro managing.

The point i am making is that if Wenger wants a player, why is it up to him what the value of that player is?....or if he wants a player to sign a contract extension why is it up to him the terms of that contract?. Both are the very essence of micro managing....the club's finances are not and should not be his concern.

It’s pretty logical. Example. An extreme one but bear with me.

We have three players due for contract renewals and £100k in wages to spare a week. The contract team talk to the player’s agents and the demands are as followed.

Ozil wants an extra £50k
Sanchez want an extra £50k
Walcott wants an extra £60k

What’s the solution? None of them are budging or willing to take lower their fess so who should make the final call? What does Dick Law or some lawyer really know about football? Besides comparing what others in the club earn or what you’ve heard rival stars earn at other clubs, who makes the final call on who will lose out? Would you want that decision to be left to a bunch of lawyers? They could allocate the £60k to Walcott and risk losing both Ozil and Sanchez. A bonehead move but how else would they know what a player is worth to the team without consulting the manager and finding out how much he’s worth to the team? That’s a clear cut example where the choice should be obvious but you should get the point. I wouldn’t want someone so removed from the football making a final call like that.

I don’t have a problem with the manager having that sort of control. He should be able to make that sort of call. It’s just problematic when you have someone like Wenger in charge. He’s out of touch and his valuation of players makes no sense. Agreeing to pay out loads for undeveloped kids but low balling your biggest stars isn’t smart.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It’s pretty logical. Example. An extreme one but bear with me.

We have three players due for contract renewals and £100k in wages to spare a week. The contract team talk to the player’s agents and the demands are as followed.

Ozil wants an extra £50k
Sanchez want an extra £50k
Walcott wants an extra £60k

What’s the solution? None of them are budging or willing to take lower their fess so who should make the final call? What does Dick Law or some lawyer really know about football? Besides comparing what others in the club earn or what you’ve heard rival stars earn at other clubs, who makes the final call on who will lose out? Would you want that decision to be left to a bunch of lawyers? They could allocate the £60k to Walcott and risk losing both Ozil and Sanchez. A bonehead move but how else would they know what a player is worth to the team without consulting the manager and finding out how much he’s worth to the team? That’s a clear cut example where the choice should be obvious but you should get the point. I wouldn’t want someone so removed from the football making a final call like that.

I don’t have a problem with the manager having that sort of control. He should be able to make that sort of call. It’s just problematic when you have someone like Wenger in charge. He’s out of touch and his valuation of players makes no sense. Agreeing to pay out loads for undeveloped kids but low balling your biggest stars isn’t smart.

The point is there is absolutely no reason for us to be in that kind of predicament because we have the money as is stated all the time

And the people responsible for negotiating wouldn't be removed from football, they would be part of the footballing infrastructure of the club

I do not believe Pep Guardiola either at Barcelona or Bayern Munich had to make such small decisions, his decision was do i want this player at the club yes or no, if i want them at the club get them signed up to a new contract and if i don't try and get them transfered to another club which would be handled by the footballing staff at Barcelona.

The manager is responsible for the players: the training, tactics, a game plan on the field and deciding what players if any can improve the side he already has to work with.....

Dealing with Contract negotiations, Dealing with Transfer negotiations....the only decision a manager should be having to make is Do I want this player? yes or no....get it sorted.

[Power n Glory]

The point is there is absolutely no reason for us to be in that kind of predicament because we have the money as is stated all the time

And the people responsible for negotiating wouldn't be removed from football, they would be part of the footballing infrastructure of the club

I do not believe Pep Guardiola either at Barcelona or Bayern Munich had to make such small decisions, his decision was do i want this player at the club yes or no, if i want them at the club get them signed up to a new contract and if i don't try and get them transfered to another club which would be handled by the footballing staff at Barcelona.

The manager is responsible for the players: the training, tactics, a game plan on the field and deciding what players if any can improve the side he already has to work with.....

Dealing with Contract negotiations, Dealing with Transfer negotiations....the only decision a manager should be having to make is Do I want this player? yes or no....get it sorted.

Within reason. Do you think we have the same sort of money as Barca and Real Madrid? We have a budget but even our rivals wouldn't throw silly money at undeveloped kids that would swell up their wage bill. You're talking about a small fraction of clubs that have the privilege of unlimited funds. You don't think Klopp at Dortmund or Simone have to manage such issues and make smart choices?

It's not even a case that Wenger has to be that involved. Just make the final call as he does now. But make wiser decisions.