Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Within reason. Do you think we have the same sort of money as Barca and Real Madrid? We have a budget but even our rivals wouldn't throw silly money at undeveloped kids that would swell up their wage bill. You're talking about a small fraction of clubs that have the privilege of unlimited funds. You don't think Klopp at Dortmund or Simone have to manage such issues and make smart choices?

It's not even a case that Wenger has to be that involved. Just make the final call as he does now. But make wiser decisions.

Again why does he have to make the final call

It should be obvious than an 18 year old prospect isn't going to be on the same money as the 25 year old world class player.

It doesn't require the manager to make that delineation.

[Edinburgh Gooner]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ing-block.html

Daily mail"exclusive" we are in talks with athletico Madrid for another centre half, more expensive than mustafi.

[Özim]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ing-block.html

Daily mail"exclusive" we are in talks with athletico Madrid for another centre half, more expensive than mustafi.

Could never see this happening, we'll never pay that kind of money for a defender, indeed if you believe the Mustafi thing we won't even pay close to 30 million.

[Kano]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ing-block.html

Daily mail"exclusive" we are in talks with athletico Madrid for another centre half, more expensive than mustafi.

This is absolutely, without doubt, going to happen.

[Power n Glory]

Again why does he have to make the final call

It should be obvious than an 18 year old prospect isn't going to be on the same money as the 25 year old world class player.

It doesn't require the manager to make that delineation.

Is it that obvious to Arsene Wenger who is stubborn and way too much faith in his own ability to spot taleny? What if he thinks this 18 year old is the next Henry? Who can really question him on that given his track record?

We're looking at a manager that is on the wane. It was fine to trust his judgement for these sort of things in his prime but not anymore. To be honest, I think it's odd for a manager not to be consulted when negotiations aren't going well.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Is it that obvious to Arsene Wenger who is stubborn and way too much faith in his own ability to spot taleny? What if he thinks this 18 year old is the next Henry? Who can really question him on that given his track record?

We're looking at a manager that is on the wane. It was fine to trust his judgement for these sort of things in his prime but not anymore. To be honest, I think it's odd for a manager not to be consulted when negotiations aren't going well.

Only if it necessitates it because the player is unsure if he wants to remain at the club

If they are thrashing out a financial package it need not concern the manager, we are not talking about compartmentalisation the negotiating team will be aware of how much the manager rates the player and will negotiate accordingly.

[mastermind84]

He went something like 15 games without a goal, that's middle of the road for me, that's not even 2nd tier, especially not for a team like us that create a fair few chances.

We could never win the PL with Giroud up front, he's a sub, someone who could be rotated when you needed something different nothing more, to win the PL you either need goals from all over the team (several players who can score goals) or a top striker, we have neither.

DDA had similar droughts at Chelsea too. Not saying Giroud is as good but finishing is really about luck.

If you look around Europe, there are not many strikers that are better than him and if he was on the market right now he would be £35-45 million player. That may say more about the dearth of current strikers but he isn't middle of the road.

I agree to an extent but Giroud's goal droughts and drop in confidence every year suggests something deeper. I think we could get more out of him with a better system but just looking at his performances for France kind of backs up the criticism.

Exactly. I don't think highly of Giroud at all but he is often used as if he is Andy Carroll, which he clearly is not.

[Niall_Quinn]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ing-block.html

Daily mail"exclusive" we are in talks with athletico Madrid for another centre half, more expensive than mustafi.

There will be plenty of names out there whose valuations we don't agree with.

[Power n Glory]

Only if it necessitates it because the player is unsure if he wants to remain at the club

If they are thrashing out a financial package it need not concern the manager, we are not talking about compartmentalisation the negotiating team will be aware of how much the manager rates the player and will negotiate accordingly.

I honestly don't see what the problem is. Well, that's a lie. I see what the problem is but the flaw isn't with the set up.

I don't know how much Wenger is involved with the details of a contract, but what's the problem with him having an overall say? You'd want someone like Stan or the negotiating team to make that final call without the manager being involved? Why? That's going the wrong way isn't it. Wouldn't the financial consequences take precedent over football? The guy with the football hat on should be trusted to make the right call. That should be Wenger. I can't imagine any other manager with this sort of trust and power putting finances over football.

I think of Klopp at Dortmund with that Gotze situation. If it were possible to offer the player whatever he wanted to keep him, why do otherwise? Leicester have just done it with Vardy. They put up a fight and offered him a new deal. No rubbish about 'we can't match the wages of clubs like Arsenal'. Fergie faced the same with Rooney and told the club to cough it up.

Why is that we're having to put measures in for Wenger to make the correct footballing decision? I don't get it. It's really backwards. We should be able to trust his judgement.

[Goonermerree]

Mahrez signs a 4 year deal with Leicester. That puts us all out of our misery those of us who still had lingering hopes of him coming.