Match Reaction - Arsenal 1-2 Watford - Wenger Out

[KSE Comedy Club]

There isn't really much to give Wenger credit for in the last 10 years tbh.

Ok there is two FA cups but they were an exception.

At the end of the day, we are all pretty much at the same point in time whereby we all want a change in manager. Doesn't matter if the reasons are all the same or all different, we all now recognise that is where the problem lies.

viera is the most recent ex player to voice his opinion about how disrespectful us fans are for daring to question Wenger and going on about what he has done in the past for the club. We all know what he did in the past - but it's in the past!!

The only way we will have any power to make a change is to stand together - and Letters - that means including Zim

[Letters]

He kept us in the top 4 while all around us were spending silly money to buy their way in and our finances were somewhat restricted
And yeah, the two FA Cups.
I think that pretty much is it but I don't think the first of those should be underestimated.

The only way to press for change really is to cup off the supply of money, stop going to games, stop buying merchandise. I don't think that will happen.
Maybe direct action in the ground will put some pressure on I guess.

[Özim]

I love the fact that you think you're a better supporter than those who turn out week in, week out.

I have to say I'm impressed that you have admitted it, I didn't think you would

I have only been once this season and I could not fault anyone for not really wanting to go, I went a lot last season because I was using someone else's season ticket and actually in the games I went to I enjoyed the football and the results.

Asking fans to stop wanting their club to win is like telling a mother to no longer love her child, he may be going down a wrong path but you can't disconnect emotionally.

Well no actually you can, but as you're not actually a supporter to begin with that makes it easier.

Where have I actually said that, well done making stuff up.

Then you can't expect change, logically why would someone who earns a shedload, doesn't give a toss about the football on the pitch and has a lot of money anyway care about what fans say? Unless you do something then it cannot change.

And that's a nonsense analogy to be honest, it's nothing like that but either way it's not what I want it's what I expect you can't see to get your head round that, but yes I don't think we deserve the title, we won't win it so my belief will actually be supported by fact.

It seems to me you don't really want change, whatever you actually say.

[Özim]

He kept us in the top 4 while all around us were spending silly money to buy their way in and our finances were somewhat restricted
And yeah, the two FA Cups.
I think that pretty much is it but I don't think the first of those should be underestimated.

The only way to press for change really is to cup off the supply of money, stop going to games, stop buying merchandise. I don't think that will happen.
Maybe direct action in the ground will put some pressure on I guess.

So what? What does top 4 actually mean? Yes we qualify for the CL make some money and then get knocked out at the same stage every season as soon as we meet someone decent (or not as has been the case a few times).

You seem to value 4th place so much, the truth is it's worthless, it only means something if you're going to go and do something in the CL at some point, otherwise it's just a cash cow to line the owners and managers' pockets.

In all honesty if we'd not got 4th who would really care that much, yes the owners would of course but the fans? It's attractive when you first qualify because you have expectations you could upset a few top clubs and maybe just maybe surprise a few people, but after a few years of reaslising there's no hope of getting anywhere in the competition it soon wears off.

The CL is about as enjoyable as watching paint dry for us these days, every season it's the same thing, come 2nd in the group after stumbling through and get knocked out in the last 16......it's a borefest.

[Letters]

So what? What does top 4 actually mean?

It means we can sign players like Ozil and Sanchez.

[Marc Overmars]

There isn't really much to give Wenger credit for in the last 10 years tbh.

Ok there is two FA cups but they were an exception.

Keeping us in the top 4 from 06-12 was more impressive than the 2 cup wins, though as a supporter I value the latter more of course. Best players leaving every year, average replacements and spending bugger all, some years we were actually in profit. If we had fallen out of the top 4 in this period with the stadium still to pay off, without the aid of bumper sponsorship and TV deals, I'd wager we'd have been floating around insignificantly like Liverpool are now.

Sadly though, his inability to elevate us again had been long suspected during the barren years and that's finally been ratified this season.

[Power n Glory]

Where have I actually said that, well done making stuff up.

Then you can't expect change, logically why would someone who earns a shedload, doesn't give a toss about the football on the pitch and has a lot of money anyway care about what fans say? Unless you do something then it cannot change.

And that's a nonsense analogy to be honest, it's nothing like that but either way it's not what I want it's what I expect you can't see to get your head round that, but yes I don't think we deserve the title, we won't win it so my belief will actually be supported by fact.

It seems to me you don't really want change, whatever you actually say.

You're not the only one confused by that post from Herb. A lot of made up assumptions in that one.

[Letters]

Keeping us in the top 4 from 06-12 was more impressive than the 2 cup wins, though as a supporter I value the latter more of course. Best players leaving every year, average replacements and spending bugger all, some years we were actually in profit. If we had fallen out of the top 4 in this period with the stadium still to pay off, without the aid of bumper sponsorship and TV deals, I'd wager we'd have been floating around insignificantly like Liverpool are now.

Sadly though, his inability to elevate us again had been long suspected during the barren years and that's finally been ratified this season.

Pretty much.

The 3 years before the new financial deals we made a net profit on transfers, you can cut Wenger some slack and hope that when money is available he can push us on.
When the money became available he spent £100m, signed Ozil and Sanchez and we won 2 FA Cups. It's utter bullshit that it made no difference to either transfer policy or the trophy cabinet, and let's not pretend we weren't all doing cartwheels when we won the FA Cup, even Zim was.

But yes, this season we needed to push on, it was Wenger's last chance and he's failed. So he needs to go. But I think he earned the right to have one last go.

[Power n Glory]

There isn't really much to give Wenger credit for in the last 10 years tbh.

Ok there is two FA cups but they were an exception.

At the end of the day, we are all pretty much at the same point in time whereby we all want a change in manager. Doesn't matter if the reasons are all the same or all different, we all now recognise that is where the problem lies.

viera is the most recent ex player to voice his opinion about how disrespectful us fans are for daring to question Wenger and going on about what he has done in the past for the club. We all know what he did in the past - but it's in the past!!

The only way we will have any power to make a change is to stand together - and Letters - that means including Zim

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Where have I actually said that, well done making stuff up.

Then you can't expect change, logically why would someone who earns a shedload, doesn't give a toss about the football on the pitch and has a lot of money anyway care about what fans say? Unless you do something then it cannot change.

And that's a nonsense analogy to be honest, it's nothing like that but either way it's not what I want it's what I expect you can't see to get your head round that, but yes I don't think we deserve the title, we won't win it so my belief will actually be supported by fact.

It seems to me you don't really want change, whatever you actually say.

So you didn't call those fans part of the problem? Which rather infers that if only they'd followed your hard headed pragmatism the club would be better off.

It's not a nonsense analogy at all, for a true supporter love for a football club is unconditional.

Your attitude is I'm cutting you out of my will until you change your lifestyle

At this moment in time our chances of winning the title are slim to none, the way we have played at times this season is agree does not merit a championship trophy. However talking purely hypothetically if we acheived what appears impossible with this current manager, we would deserve it by virtue of being top after 38 games.

And whilst it's mathematically possible I want us to win every game no matter what I think of the manager, will it be an act of futility? Quite probably so but the emotional connection I have with Arsenal FC (the essence of being a supporter) prevents me from wanting the opposite to happen because I think it will hasten the managers departure (when empirically you'd have to agree that this is unlikely anyway).

I am more certain of Arsenal going out of the champions league tomorrow than I am of the sun coming up tomorrow, however I will still want them to win and go through.

I'm not saying Judge him in May, because that's just deferring a judgement that is almost certain not to change.....I'm just saying my love of this club far outweighs what I think of Arsene Wenger (who again I reiterate have been calling for his head since 2011 and you've only to look at my posting history to see this, and have consistently stated shouldn't have signed a new contract extension)

I'm not against change, I think there are clearly managers out there who can do a better job than Wenger it's just making sure we procure that individual, because we are not in the quite in the financial bracket of man city where almost any half wit can win them the title.
Although Pellegrinis abject failure this season suggests he is even worse than "any half wit"

Out of intetest, who would you go for?. Because as someone who obviously thinks of the clubs long term benefit as much as you have must be constantly thinking of the best person to take us forward.