Summer Transfer Misery and Recriminations.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

This is really going nowhere.

You only have to look to Ferguson at Utd at how this should work. He was directly involved with the RVP negotiations as well and didn't screw it up.

That last part makes no sense either because you were saying control should be taken away from the next manager and left with the Board. Never mind.

There's nothing not to understand. Wenger has unprecedented authority at the club far in excess of anything Ferguson had at United, this doesn't seem to bother you but it is a problem.
Every point I have made is that whilst a manager still makes most of the big decisions (apart from what price the club should pay another in transfer fees) that the smaller decisions that result from those big decisions can and should be delegated to others and the club I don't believe is being assertive enough to facilitate this.
A manager should be almost totally focused on training and match tactics, the club should remove the burden from him wherever possible for anything else.
Trying to suggest that if another manager had the same unprecedented control that Wenger has is unproblematic and wouldn't be equally undesirable with a new man is as far as I'm concerned overlooking the key problems the club faces.
Wenger tries to do everything and succeeds in doing nothing, yes he's got massive shortcomings which are more evident as he's getting older and he should have gone by now.
As I stated in an earlier post, I would like to see a transfer negotiation team and a contract negotiation team that whilst liases with the manager is at the same time autonomous from the manager and directly report to someone like Gazidis.

The manager still decides what players he wants, and he decides what players he wants to keep and which ones he lets go. But no more managers acting with transfer funds like company delegates do a hotel room mini bar (worried about charging the toblerone to the company bill) and no more socialist wage structure. Why would we assume that managers know what they are talking about in terms of financial value, their job would be to value the player in terms of overall quality and potential and let other people extrapolate a figure from that.

But I agree let's draw a line under it now, you think the next manager should be given total free reign and I think that would be a total disaster that would lead to another Wenger type situation.

[Blink 1nce Quince 2wice]

The inner snob musings were more entertaining. Can we just get back to transfer targets that aren't going to happen now....

[Power n Glory]

That's because Ferguson delegated and wasn't a control freak. We don't have an unworkable system here. The freedom and trust Wenger had in 96 is what has lead us to building a new stadium, facilities, changing the culture and at the time it was innovative and revolutionary. The problem we have at the club now at the club is that the manager is stale and run out of ideas. He's still running on 1996 software.

If we remain flexible and open to new ideas, a new coach can make such changes so he's not micro managing everything. This is the overall point and why I keep pointing out the difference between Wenger and Fergie.

Also, you still think Wenger is the only one negotiating transfers and contracts. There has to be a team in place already. Do you think he does the scouting on how own as well?

[Power n Glory]

The inner snob musings were more entertaining. Can we just get back to transfer targets that aren't going to happen now....

Some people have a problem with media speculation being discussed. Can't win.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's because Ferguson delegated and wasn't a control freak. We don't have an unworkable system here. The freedom and trust Wenger had in 96 is what has lead us to building a new stadium, facilities, changing the culture and at the time it was innovative and revolutionary. The problem we have at the club now at the club is that the manager is stale and run out of ideas. He's still running on 1996 software.

If we remain flexible and open to new ideas, a new coach can make such changes so he's not micro managing everything. This is the overall point and why I keep pointing out the difference between Wenger and Fergie.

Also, you still think Wenger is the only one negotiating transfers and contracts. There has to be a team in place already. Do you think he does the scouting on how own as well?

Again I am not saying the manager shouldn't be given freedom, I am just talking about him operating in a structured environment, he has clear objectives from above in terms of minimum expectation, when it comes to players and contracts he knows the club will iron out the details.
That structure has not existed at Arsenal since David Dein left the club, Wenger controls and micromanages every detail and whilst that is as much an indicator of his personality....the club have allowed it to come to that.

And I'm sorry to point this out again, Wengers authority and responsibilities at the club are unprecedented and far exceed that of Ferguson, that's because many aspects of David Deins role which you would expect to be undertaken by Gazidis is undertaken by Wenger. So as I say mentioning Ferguson has no relevance to this.

[Gooner23]

Not landing Mahrez is a huge blow. We either tried and failed, or were never actually in for him in the first place. Either way it adds to our shambles of a summer.

I understand there isn't a wealth of striking options out there to choose from, but surely one of Mkhitaryan, Mahrez or Draxler should have been quite feasible? Any one of those would significantly improve our starting line up.

I'm not surprised with how the summer is panning out as we have seen it time and time again, but you do wonder what the club is playing at. They must know the fan unrest is at an all time high?

[Globalgunner]

Why are people always so shocked by the obvious. I imagine Draxler for instance, would have consulted Ozil about coming. what do you think his advice would be?

[Power n Glory]

Again I am not saying the manager shouldn't be given freedom, I am just talking about him operating in a structured environment, he has clear objectives from above in terms of minimum expectation, when it comes to players and contracts he knows the club will iron out the details.
That structure has not existed at Arsenal since David Dein left the club, Wenger controls and micromanages every detail and whilst that is as much an indicator of his personality....the club have allowed it to come to that.

And I'm sorry to point this out again, Wengers authority and responsibilities at the club are unprecedented and far exceed that of Ferguson, that's because many aspects of David Deins role which you would expect to be undertaken by Gazidis is undertaken by Wenger. So as I say mentioning Ferguson has no relevance to this.

I mention Ferguson because it's a comparison of personalities. You rightly say Wenger's micromanagement is part of his personality. Fergie delegates. That says something about his personality. It's relevant. A manager that isn't as obsessive as Wenger would delegate and be more decisive with decisions. They wouldn't take on more than they could handle.

The structure of the club has changed since Dein. Ivan Gazidis has come in along with Dick Law who handles the negotiations. The problem we have is Wenger having the final say. I can't see many other clubs not consulting the manager on player issues. That often leads to trouble. We've seen it fail at Spurs, Newcastle, Liverpool etc. What we have here is far from perfect but most of people that have come in are having to work with a manager that has had his own way for a long time. The biggest problem we have is the lack of backbone. Somebody should have given Wenger his marching orders. Set down the bare minimum. I think we have seen windows where it looks like Wenger has been pressured to sign players. But it shouldn't be a struggle every window to convince a ma her to pull his finger out. I wouldn't want the structure to change to make it more difficult for a new manager to work but I'd definitely want to see stricter targets.

[Power n Glory]

Why are people always so shocked by the obvious. I imagine Draxler for instance, would have consulted Ozil about coming. what do you think his advice would be?

I can't imagine Ozil telling him to avoid us. It's just a case of whether a bid was made for the player. I highly doubt it. We're banking on internal solutions again.

[Gooner23]

Why are people always so shocked by the obvious. I imagine Draxler for instance, would have consulted Ozil about coming. what do you think his advice would be?

Definitely not shocked, or even that surprised.