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    Thats why I said Xhaka is an ELITE deep lying playmaker being asked to play box to box.

    He would get more touches if he was playing where he is elite on the pitch. Its like asking Ozil to be a left back.
    That's why he's the wrong purchase. When we discussed Xhaka during the summer, I said I couldn't see the need for him. We don't thrive off long balls and it would mean altering how we play to accommodate his style. If were capable of dribbling through the lines like Santi and powering through the middle, I could see the point of him. But I didn't during the summer and still can't see the point of him now. He's not that good on defending either. 1/4 tackles vs City and we couldn't win the ball back from deep. I really don't know what Wenger was thinking when he bought him. I suspect a scout recommended him but in no way shape or form should he have been our first signing this summer. There is a much bigger gap to Santi and Xhaka. Chalk and cheese.

    Speaking of Coquelin, yes, he's a limited player with his passing. But until Xhaka and Elneny figure out how to win the ball back, we're stuck. That was the problem against City. We couldn't win the ball back in the 2nd half. You saw the first goal and I have no idea what Xhaka was doing. He rushed around like a headless chicken whilst they passed the ball from man to man.



    Xhaka should have won the header easily enough from the goal kick. He was under no pressure. But he just runs around in circles whilst they ping pong the ball around him. His attempts to cut out the passes were weak. He just flicks out a leg. Coquelin manages to get a good tackle in and if Xhaka had some more composure and positional sense, he could have recovered that ball. It was a great Flamini impression.

    Even the second goal was a result of Xhaka. He mistimed pass goes out of play resulting in a throw in for City. It's not good enough. Basic stuff. So regardless of his best position, he's still a central midfielder and we're talking about a slight shift in positions not a complete shift like the Ozil/leftback example you've given. It shouldn't result in these sort of mistakes.

    Make Ozil a forward and bring in a real 3rd midfielder .
    Doesn't that just sum up the thread? Why even consider converting Ozil into a forward if what he was doing last season was so essential to our success? If he goes, we might as well bring in a proper forward. Heck, I'm not against playing Giroud with Sanchez behind him or having Sanchez play with Welbeck or Walcott ahead of him.

    We don't play a 2 man midfield. Ozil is still an attacking AM. With Iwobi drifting in, it should provide an extra body. Ozil should still be able to drift back and steady the midfield when the going gets tough.
    I am saying it about Alexis because its what he does. He is a space eater.
    As for Ozil scoring more goals, like I said prior he and Alexis have become something like a false 9 partnership.
    You're still not giving enough credit to Sanchez. Why wasn't Ozil scoring more goals with Giroud up front?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blink 1nce Quince 2wice View Post
    I think the Xhaka box to box thing was one of the most bizarre comments Wenger has ever made.....

    It couldn't appear more untrue.
    It's very bizarre. I highly suspect somebody recommended him as a signing and once Wenger had him in a training, he wasn't impressed. We didn't need him and he hasn't enhanced our midfield play in the same way we've seen the major different Santi has made in that role. But the blueprint for the type of midfielder was here at the club before we moved Santi to that role in Rosicky. It took Wenger an age to play him there and instead preferred playing him wide. The mismanagement goes way back and he never gets it right.

    It's an endless cycle with us. Find the right striker, mess up the midfield. Find the right midfield, mess up the strikers.

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    Ozil has said that he is willing to sign a new deal but wants clarity on Wenger's future first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    Ozil has said that he is willing to sign a new deal but wants clarity on Wenger's future first.
    We all want that.
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    I don't.
    NOTE: The location of this post has been moved and the thread title (which was previously Wenger is Leaving) has been manipulated by a notorious pro-Wenger moderator. What was previously a message that contained no profanity and made a comment on a real life event has now been manipulated by a deliberately provocative title. An old and crude propaganda and censorship technique.


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    Wenger said the below back in December.

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/23/arsene...april-6342948/


    ‘I always said that I will judge where I stand in spring and make my decisions then. And the club is free as well. It’s not because I am here a long time that I have any rights. We are both on the same boat,’ he explained.

    ‘The club are happy and it will not affect planning. There are plenty of managers who arrived at the end of their contract. It happened to me before. I signed sometimes in March, April for longer contracts. So I don’t think it’s a problem.

    ‘I worked everywhere I was until the last day of my contract with total commitment. That’s why maybe I can go back everywhere I was, because people respect that.’
    Wenger must see that his stance harms the club. This saga will role on into the summer. If he decides he doesn't want to stay and the club have held hopes on him staying, we're left in a pretty shitty position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc Overmars View Post
    Ozil has said that he is willing to sign a new deal but wants clarity on Wenger's future first.
    Arseblog straight in there with his "calm and considered" opinion. We should obviously get Wenger to sign to hold onto our best players.....so we can still underachieve.

    Leicester proved that it's not all about star players. It comes from the manager first and foremost, and Wenger's chance came and went a long time ago.

    What is it with this bloke? I know he wants us to do well, and I understand his worry about losing out best players. But he needs to stop being a big girls blouse and accept that change tales time, and the whole club needs to start again. If that means struggling for a while, so be it.
    It's better to burn out, than to fade away.

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    We hear a lot about managers losing the dressing room and not having the players' respect but its obviously not the case with Wenger. The biggest players at the club obviously still see him as a key figure and its a dilema for the board. You either keep the over the hill manager AND your best players or risk losing all and starting from scratch. Im all for change and a fresh start under a new manager but if we were to lose Wenger and Sanchez/Ozil and potentlially others then it would take usa few years to start challenging again (see Man u last 4 years).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Power_n_Glory View Post
    Wenger said the below back in December.

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/12/23/arsene...april-6342948/




    Wenger must see that his stance harms the club. This saga will role on into the summer. If he decides he doesn't want to stay and the club have held hopes on him staying, we're left in a pretty shitty position.
    Wenger believes his mere presence is a bounteous blessing. The sheer privilege of his gracing the club with his presence should be sufficient for all. As for his decision on whether to stay or leave, well he phoned this morning and thanked you for your interest in his affairs. Mr Arsenal will let us know in due course and in his own sweet time what suits him, and him alone, best.

    This man is a long way from the place where he transformed the club and took as to unmatched heights. It's hard to imagine we're talking about the same guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFC Leveller View Post
    We hear a lot about managers losing the dressing room and not having the players' respect but its obviously not the case with Wenger. The biggest players at the club obviously still see him as a key figure and its a dilema for the board. You either keep the over the hill manager AND your best players or risk losing all and starting from scratch. Im all for change and a fresh start under a new manager but if we were to lose Wenger and Sanchez/Ozil and potentlially others then it would take usa few years to start challenging again (see Man u last 4 years).
    We’re not challenging for anything now even with Ozil and Sanchez. Our biggest signing has to be a new manager. Even if we lost both players we at least need the funds from the sales so a new manager can buy replacements. Just look at what Klopp and Poch are doing with Liverpool and Spurs. They’ve got way weaker attacking players but are way more efficient that us. A new manager may even prefer the funds so he can build his own team rather keep these guys. But I’m sure if the club sign a top class manager, we won’t lose any of our players.

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