Are you new here?Originally Posted by HCZ_Reborn
(But yes, it is ridiculous)
Are you new here?
(But yes, it is ridiculous)
Blame it on Edu and Garlick. We have form for this, putting in bids with unrealistic add-ons. The fee we are happy to pay, the structure we are struggling with and we struggled with it with Mudryk hence why he ended up at Chelsea.
What baffles me is that we have been negotiating around the table with West Ham now for the best part of 2 weeks yet don't seem to understand what we need to do to close this deal.
We don't have recent history of winning the Big prizes so it's pointless putting clauses into deals like "10 Mill if we win CL" or "5 Mill if we win PL", we need to be structuring our deals based on "the number of performances the player makes for us" or "finishing in the top 4" or something like that. We aren't comparable to any of the other top 4 clubs right now and clubs aren't taking us seriously because the add-ons in their eyes and most people's eyes are not achievable.
If we don't have the budget to complete the deal with reasonable add-ons, walk away and pursue a player we can actually afford.
Last edited by selassie; 22-06-2023 at 02:34 PM.
We seem to be shopping in a market that we can't afford. If we really want the player then we need to be aggressive in our negotiations and lay down the money, I don't literally mean give them 120million, but we need to be structuring the payments in their favour and any add-ons need to be realistic.
There is a reason why these deals drag on for us, the selling clubs do not believe that they will receive the 15million or whatever it is in add-ons because we have no recent history of winning anything major.
If City put forward the same offer West Ham would bite their hand off as City have recent history of winning everything so West Ham will be confident they will receive the add-ons, in our case this is not the case.
Again the structure of the payments is commonplace and these add ons are always a part of any deal
The trouble is the time between making offers, if Garlick and Edu had a free hand to make these offers they wouldn’t presumably offer them five days apart…so a lot of it comes down to getting the green light from the owner.
I think people don’t want to believe this because it’s more comforting to believe if we get in better people than Garlick and Edu that the process will speed up, but the fact remains that we get beaten to signings by clubs that have a clear heedless approach to transfers.
ThisHe is no where near the level of Odegaard either
Blaming the owners doesn't work for me, I think the gaps are Arsenal trying to play hard ball when actually they have no leverage really
This window is looking like a farce, with the only potential upside being that our Plan B re signings will actually turn out to have been what Plan A should have been, as it was in January.
Hell, maybe that's the game we're playing all along but I doubt it, I just don't credit Edu and Arteta with that much nous
You’re right the club is trying to play hard ball, but that’s at the owners behest
I have no more love for Edu than I do for Arteta so no desire to defend him, but I believe the simplest explanation is the most likely and Fabrizio Romano who is usually on the money is the one who reported it, now it could be excuse making on Edu and Garlick’s part but why would KSE put up with them putting that out there.
It makes complete sense, we absolutely are financially dependent on KSE, and whilst they have been very generous in what they’ve given us the last few years…. Seems unlikely they are going to allow us to make big player purchases without being consulted on it.
Kroenke is in America, he is far more committed personally to the Rams, The Nuggets and The Rapids but it’s unlikely his son has the authority to give us the go ahead
Add-ons need to be realistic. They need to be achievable or at least believable. If Brighton attempt to buy a player off us and propose add-ons totalling 15 million with stuff such as "Win CL or Win PL" we would laugh them out of town. This is what we are doing to clubs in the big deals we are trying to close, given our recent history, past 15 years, putting forward add-ons like this in deals is seen as "Pie In The Sky", it's why Shaktar refused to sell us Mudryk and why we are now struggling to close the Rice Deal.
It's more about our approach to the big deals and how Garlick and Edu are handling them, not our approach to the market in general. We can close those mid range deals quite easily (Jesus, Zinchenko etc), it's the Big deals where you are dealing with big figures where you need to be realistic in your approach that we fail at.
Yeah this is my opinion on it too.
The add ons would have included premier league win etc but they are mostly minimum amount of appearances, plus it begs the question if buying players for that kind of money doesn’t make winning a title over the period of the players contract a realistic prospect what’s the point of spending that much money on them to begin with.
As I’ve said, I can understand why fans want Garlick and Edu to be the ones to blame because that way there is hope that if they are replaced there is a more speedy approach but I just don’t see why that would be the case.
In fact Rice is only the third player we’ve bid for of such high value under those two. Mudryk there was just no way we should ever have paid what Shatkah were asking, and with Brighton we could have bid twice what we did and they wouldn’t have sold him in January.
West Ham have made our bids public in order to get the attention of other clubs and the reason they’ve done this is because they have issues with FFP themselves.
It’s been in their interest to create a bidding war, and short of giving them 100million up front and one of our players (even if we could afford to do that fuck right off) they have wanted to drag this out to get City, United involved.
I’m not blaming them for that, it’s good business sense from their point of view. But when everyone on here agrees that we need to strengthen in terms of numbers it’s totally illogical to think we should stump up whatever the selling club wants
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