Wenger Out?

[Alpha]

why not now? what difference would it make if he left now or end of next season? at some point he has to leave anyway, so why not now.

Eventually he will leave one day as everything has an end . But can't you see it's too soon for that to happen ? I think so .

[Japan Shaking All Over]

May be?

Red or white sir?

Glass of rose, please. . .

[Kano]

If we finish 10 points above Chelsea or Tottenham from now, would we not say they were a threat for 3rd/4th place? In 08/09 many of us were bricking it when Villa were clear of us. We bought Arshavin and ended up finishing 10 points above them. Were they not challengers for 4th that season?

Come on, lets not take the self-loathing too far. Some seasons - like this one - we're obviously nowhere near being title challengers. But in 09-10, and 10-11, I think you could say we were challenging for the title but, typically, couldn't sustain it for the final stages.

no challenging for the title is being in the hunt with a few games remaining. looking at stats to flatter ourselves, only 4 points off the top or finishing 3rd etc does not disguise we have been miles away from being realistic challengers

[Japan Shaking All Over]

To be fair. . .that point is emphasised by the difference between us and second

[Alpha]

Benefit of the doubt.

Come on, he's been given plenty of that in recent years.

How many time the team ( or Wenger himself) have been let down by the Board for not giving the money to strengthen the squad ? What about the crown leaving the stadium before the last whistle simple because we are behind on the score ? Or simple not giving a damn to cheer up the team and giving more power and confidence to the opposite side ? Arsene is not the only one to blame . He has more responsibility but blame must be shared .

[Letters]

But the perception is it was too good for Arsenal so 7..8..9 seasons of no trophies and the same mistakes still can't allow us to question him and not be criticised for it. His success was exceptional because of the football we played and watching players like Henry, Bergkamp, Pires....
Ferguson's success is exceptional but even he is more accountable than Wenger and his fans aren't in debt to him as much as people think we are to Wenger.

So yeh his success was outstanding but impossible for a club of our stature, don't agree, even when English football was highly competitive pre 92 we won trophies, reached fa cup finals, had potential which Wenger realised, but we can go higher,
Anyway I'm going to stop talking about it because he's not going

I wouldn't say it was 'too good' but it was exceptional for even a club with as rich a history as ours. I grew up in an era where you couldn't say "Arsenal" without the words "Boring, Boring" preceeding it, in an era when the Double was spoken about in hushed voices as something which a club could only dream of acheiving. To have such a successful period and watching a team playing with such style. It's not something I ever thought I'd see.
Of course Wenger can't live off that forever. No-one is saying he shouldn't be questioned and we shouldn't expect a club at our level to be winning trophies - although it must be acknowledged that it was Wenger who raised our level and the expectations which go with it.

You're right, he's almost certainly not going because he is delivering what the board expect. I'm not sure if Wenger can take us forward but I have seen some signs of hope recently which have made me reconsider my opinion from a couple of months back when I couldn't see we had much to lose by sacking him. Now I'm not so sure. We've had false dawns before and this might well be another one, I guess we'll see in the remaining 10 games.

[Kano]

How many time the team ( or Wenger himself) have been let down by the Board for not giving the money to strengthen the squad ? What about the crown leaving the stadium before the last whistle simple because we are behind on the score ? Or simple not giving a damn to cheer up the team and giving more power and confidence to the opposite side ? Arsene is not the only one to blame . He has more responsibility but blame must be shared .

how many time has PHW made a poor subsitution or tactical error, or failed to get the team to man up when needed?

but of course, lets concentrate on the crowd, it's clearly their fault.

Wenger: “The fact that we have come back before helped us. We feel now that we just have that complete and total commitment to give everything. It gets the crowd behind team.”

[Alpha]

I wouldn't say it was 'too good' but it was exceptional for even a club with as rich a history as ours. I grew up in an era where you couldn't say "Arsenal" without the words "Boring, Boring" preceeding it, in an era when the Double was spoken about in hushed voices as something which a club could only dream of acheiving. To have such a successful period and watching a team playing with such style. It's not something I ever thought I'd see.
Of course Wenger can't live off that forever. No-one is saying he shouldn't be questioned and we shouldn't expect a club at our level to be winning trophies - although it must be acknowledged that it was Wenger who raised our level and the expectations which go with it.

You're right, he's almost certainly not going because he is delivering what the board expect. I'm not sure if Wenger can take us forward but I have seen some signs of hope recently which have made me reconsider my opinion from a couple of months back when I couldn't see we had much to lose by sacking him. Now I'm not so sure. We've had false dawns before and this might well be another one, I guess we'll see in the remaining 10 games.

I said give him the benefit of doubt and some people questioned it . we are all frustrated by Wenger at certain stage but the light of hope is also shining from him . why not give him more time to perform the miracle we are all expecting : to get our famous Arsenal back ?

[Alpha]

how many time has PHW made a poor subsitution or tactical error, or failed to get the team to man up when needed?

but of course, lets concentrate on the crowd, it's clearly their fault.

All manager make mistakes . Any manager can get his tactic wrong . That's why even great teams lose some games .
Wenger is right the crown respond to the vibes coming from the team . Have you never seen fans loyal to their team even when there is no hope of winning anything ? They support their team for their history , their value ..etc.. Watch the league one or two you will see fans excited for their team even when they are losing . I was very impressed and touched by our away fans when Man U killed us 8-2 . I saw the love of the team and I nearly cried even though I was not happy at all with the result let alone the performance . That's what should be expected from us all .

[Kano]

you are said in your previous post it was the board and the crowd that have more of an affect than the manager. that is nonsense of course.

what happens on the pitch is a direct reflection of the management of the team and despite us having the talent at our disposal to do better, we repeatedly haven't.

as wenger says above, if the team put the effort in, the crowd will respond.

our stagnation has nothing to do with fans or the board but the manager.