He's a cunt plain and simple always has been.Originally Posted by Ach
He's a cunt plain and simple always has been.
in what way was he honest about? he slated the fans when he left, then said he would have signed a new contract on the condidtion he was sold in the summer. how is that honest about going to a club for honours? if he wanted honours, he would have signed for united as he was going too until citeh turned up with a fuckload of cash and the greedy cunt went there
Why bother responding to a WUM who is obviously on the windup and looking for a reaction?
He wasn't responding to you, he was talking to somebody else.
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No, I'm quite sure he said he wanted to leave at the start of the summer but the club were holding back due to the Fabregas situation and wanting to get a replacement in e.g. Mata, but we all know how that worked out. He also came on and did a professional job in his last performance, shop window or not he didn't sulk like Adebayor did when he didn't get his way.
He slated the fans simply because they slated him, that's all. I don't have an opinion either way on that one.
Regarding our situation as a club, while I admire the way we've been kept reasonably competitive for some time during a stadium move, there should be a way to manage finances/stadium debt (which is apparently at a reasonable, manageable rate), a youth policy and judicious acquisition of experienced players in a blend with wanting to win things that does not lead to a Leeds style bankruptcy, but here we are, at a stage when even Spurs have moved above us and are going for the title. Wenger's hand seemed to be forced by the poor start and the 8-2, to move for some experience, but the damage had been done by not strengthening enough in the summer, and tbh from previous seasons. Remember the numerous times when we could have signed X players in January to really push on for a title charge? We didn't want to "kill" the likes of Denilson, Diaby etc. Thats self-indulgence, not prudence and ambition. The board and the manager only have themselves to blame when good players see whats happening and want to jump ship. Unless we really are in dire financial straits and the board have been lying to us about available transfer "warchests".
Say what you want about money or greed, but I actually agree with Ach on this one. He's at a club challenging for trophies and has left a club which has lowered its ambitions to challenge perennially for the "4th placed cup". After all for a team as big as Arsenal, 3rd biggest in England, shouldn't we be "grateful for finishing 4th every year and playing in the CL, many clubs would like to be in our position" of complacency within the cosy quadrupoly/lack of ambition/excuse for not winning trophies. No one has a divine right to win anything but the lack of ambition is galling.
Now whether Nasri is getting into the team or not ahead of the likes of Silva, that's another issue to do with squad and competition, he'll have to personally step up and show his worth. He's obviously not been doing that this season, but that's his own lookout, not ours.
I think we should cut Nasri some slack. Gilles Grmandi and others who know him have said that he is a football man, in that he eats, sleeps, breathes football, constantly watching matches etc. That type of player is ambitious and wants to win things. Granted he was inconsistent for us and used his 'purple patch' to boost his profile for a move while his contract situation was advantageous, but he wants to win things, and for that I'm not going to criticise him. Does not matter if it was Man U or City, who are the teams at the top of the league? Not us
He could see where our club was heading, was coming to the end of his contract and jumped shipIf he had moved to the russian Anzhi side, or that UAE side that Gyan moved to, then you could say money was the main motivator. But he's moved to an ambitious side who want to win trophies, and he's getting paid handsomely too. Its a win-win for him and the state of our club leads me not to feel any antagonism towards him.
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Here's the thing about Samir Na$ri and any other loser that plays the "challenge for honours" card. The real challenge, the man's challenge, would be to stay where you are and be a 100% team player, keep your mouth shut and grind it out until you are indeed challenging for honours. That's what a man would do.
But, fair enough, for those who don't quite measure up to being men it must be nice when Man Utd come calling. You're going to get a few honours there no doubt.
Yet he didn't go to Utd, did he? He abandoned a starting role at a club that had run very close to a serious challenge on several occasions and this was after he showed us what he can actually do for half a season and then went to sleep for the rest. He spurned the chance to go to the club that offers the greatest chance of those honours he claims he wants and he took the highest offer, even though he must have known he'd become a squad player in the process and spend time on the bench.
So what can we conclude based on his actions? Firstly, in real terms he has no ambition. If he had huge ambition he would have stayed with us. If he had moderate ambition he would have gone to Utd, he'd have confirmed he lacked the balls for the big fight but still made a sensible choice based on his stated reason for leaving. Second, he's a money grabbing greedy cunt who has zero loyalty. When he said the fans disrespected him, of course they did. He'd rewarded fans that pay through the nose so he can live a fantasy lifestyle by providing half a season of performance. Then he claimed he wanted to challenge for honours so was moving. What the hell did he think we were all paying him to do? Grace us with his mere presence? So the fans rightly said, what a greedy, disloyal and ungrateful cunt. The fans were right, he was wrong. He's the one who wasn't man enough to face the challenge. He's the one who turned Utd down so he could get paid big bucks to sit on the bench. He's the symptom of a game filled with greedy little pricks who have long since forgotten what football and teamwork and giving it back to the fans is all about.
So Na$ri is not right. He's 100% wrong. And anyone who "understands" him may well understand what football has become but they have no fucking clue about what football ought to be and once was.
Na$ri is a cunt. End of.
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Thats all you had to say
With the position you hold on the Board and lack of ambition....this post makes no sense. It's a contradiction. If the fans can see that this club needs a serious turn around, then why can't the players? Why in the world would he sign on for another 2-4 years when he can see we're a selling club? If we go by what you say about the Board, a player would be crazy to commit his future to such a regime, especially when a club looking to build a legacy comes calling.
Double standard by fans. We question the direction of this club on here all the time but for the players, you expect them to shut up and be loyal. Who are they being loyal to exactly? If you're saying we're run by greedy money men in it to make a quick buck then why should he feel obligated to stay here and accept a new contract for lower wages? He chose not to sign a new contract and judging from his last performance for us, he'd have played to the best of his ability. He could have honoured his contract and walked at the end of it. You can't ask much else from a player. He wasn't kicking up a stink in the press, he didn't go on strike, just saw that this club wasn't moving in the right direction and judging from our league position and performances, he's justified.
When it comes to football, it's like all intelligence goes out the window. People ask for standards on issues they themselves would struggle to live up to.
When the fans start getting paid £100K a week by the players then we can talk about the fans' responsibilities. Regardless of our shitty board the club has still managed to place itself within striking distance of honours on several occasions. Certainly, we collapsed. Who's fault? The fans?
No. The fault lies with the board (no argument there), the manager and the players. Please let's not try to lay the blame at the fans' doorstep.
If we could have had a whole season out of Nasri and Chamakh and Ramsey and Sagna and you can keep on naming them, we'd have the honours this little cunt is talking about by now. But in Na$ri's case he decided to provide half a season. He's certainly not the only guilty party but he carries plenty of the guilt because he was supposedly one of our key players. So he decided to go missing when it really matters and then turn around and accuse the club if having a lack of ambition. Excuse me? The title was there in his hands and in the hands of all the rest of them. They opted to collapse.
Na$ri decided it was too hard to do the hard things. So he gave his patently bullshit excuse about seeking honours and then ran off to the highest bidder. Was it his ambition to sit on the bench then? Because there was always going to be more chance of that happening at a comedy club like City. What do you call an alleged footballer who would opt to spend more timer on the bench provided the cash compensated? A man with ambition?
My post makes perfect sense. The people who are prepared to understand a greedy cunt who doesn't have the balls to deliver in return for his huge pay packet and runs for the easy, highest paid option are the ones who need a re-think.
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I'm amazed people expect players to stick around when the limit of our ambition is 4th place, now you can say he was part of the team that got 4th etc but one player does not make a team, Wenger has year on year done the same thing...he's not invested in quality and has lost his best players because clubs who can actually win something come knocking.
Every season we see the same collapses and we never seem nearer to success, what's worse is the manager seem happy with that and pat's himself of the back for getting 4th place.
If you come to Arsenal these days you don't come to win stuff, you come to put yourself in the shop window for clubs who do want to win stuff, in reality we're a selling club now because we'll never be able to keep our best players with our 4th placed policy, anyone that thinks we can is deluding themselves.
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