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This has been pointed out before and yet come the summer he barely signs anyone, doesn't invest in quality and we end up playing exactly the same way.Originally Posted by Charlie the Gooner
If he was really that bothered he'd try and do something about it.
I agree on playing the same way but none of us know for sure on the investment and how much has been given. and i know it seems like the past 7 years will seem like him being cheap. But i don't think we had the money for the most part of the last 7 years.
I Think he wants to win but i think he is lost on how to win still.
Nor am I.
Winning is clearly important to him. You can see his reaction when we're struggling. It's nonsense to say he's not bothered.
He is maybe a little too principled at times but better that than 1-0 to the Arsenal tedium every game even if we did win some trophies doing it.
He hasn't won in 7 years and hasn't really made the necessary changes, he can't be that bothered to be honest....in addition he's always hailing 3rd/4th as an achievement, maybe that's enough for him and he's happy to finish his career without another success, most top managers wouldn't but most managers aren't like him.
I think most top managers wouldn't be too proud of just achieving 3rd/4th every season, he seems to be very proud.
My God Charlie
What sort of drugs you on?
Rubbish. Once again you're claiming far more knowledge of what's going on in the club than you have. For at least part of that time we've had the stadium debt restricting us and poor commercial deals which Wenger is nothing to do with. I don't know whether Wenger is looking longer term and trying to clear the debt as soon as possible, whether the board are restricting him more than he'd like, whether it's a principle thing. I suspect all of those may be factors but I don't really know. Nor do you.
Looking at his reactions it's clear he's bothered.
As are the rest of the footballing world. Several clubs have spent big to try and achieve it. Martin Jol got Spurs finishing 5th twice in a row - till then their highest PL finish. He was sacked because he failed to deliver CL football. Mad, but that's the modern game for you.In addition he's always hailing 3rd/4th as an achievement
Repeatedly Wenger has finished above clubs who have spent big to qualify while spending far less than them. Top 4 shouldn't be an achievement in the modern game but because of the CL qualification and what it means, it is.
Again, looking at his reactions it clearly isn't. But Wenger should be proud of 15 consecutive seasons qualifying for the CL. How many managers have done it? Fergie. Wenger. That's it.maybe that's enough for him and he's happy to finish his career without another success
We lost our 2 best midfielders last summer, we had a horrible start to the season, Spurs fans were lording it over us, we were written off by pretty much everyone and we've finished 3rd again. You said earlier in the season that there was no comparison between our squad and Spurs'. Now you're denying it's an achievement to finish above them.
Whether you regard it as an achievement is irrelevant. The fact is his employers do, the rest of the footballing world does and most fans do too. See how Spurs fans are nervously awaiting tonight's result because of what a Chelsea win would mean.
Id think he love to win something before he retired and he may do that if he goes to another league to manage. i mean he could win the league or cup in France its not that hard and the way he plays will suit that league.
I don't think Wenger is happy to finish top 4 as much as he says, its more to cover up his failings thats why he says it and to protect his team from the press. he has always done that and always will.
David Moyes has not won a thing in 7 years and with the team he had he could have won at least the CC tbf but i don't see him being called a bad manager or happy to settle in the top 10.
and even though its been 7 years of failure 4 of them years we had the stadium debt to pay off so there was no money tbf.
Like you always say Football is about winning medals etc
Well Wenger has won those and im sure he'd be happy with what he has won in his career it could have been worse he could have won nothing. Thats all that will matter to him at the end off the day.
Last edited by Olivier's xmas twist; 19-05-2012 at 06:09 PM.
I think he's happy to finish top 4, Charlie, and so he should be.
I don't think he's happy with us not winning a trophy though.
I mean he'd rather us win the league then finish top 4.
He's happier than the likes of Mourinho, Ferguson, Del Bosque, Capello, Lippi, Guardiola etc would be.
Like I said there's different degrees, some managers see winning as the number 1 aim, others see it as desirable but not the be all and end all...Wenger fits into the latter category.
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