Gooners have been spoilt

[fakeyank]

None of then own the club unlike City or Chavs. But i agree our two biggest shareholders are in it for themselves.

It may be "Kroenke's choice to run AFC like Tescos/Debenhams etc." Just like its our fans Choice to keep Renewing Season tickets, going to games and letting our board get away with it.

Glazers are worse than Kroenke and Usmanov put together yet Utd seem to winning everything left right and center. Ever wonder why?

- First, coz Fergie has one job and one job only- Managing the football side of things. He is not appointing his boss, negotiating contracts, setting up the design of the dressing rooms etc
- Second, coz Fergie is not a mouthpiece of the board. I bet you that if even for one day Glazers tell him that he is not going to get necessary funds to strengthen the team, he will quit the job. He is a winner and wont be happy just collecting his 6 million quid pay check every year. Unfortunately our manager seems happy stuffing his pockets and running a good business.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

What do you expect the fans to do?

Kidnap Wengers girlfriend and hold her hostage til he does whats right?

I expected us to play like we gave a fuck v Sunderland be the result win, draw or loss

We didnt

Their is a lot fans can do like stop renwing season tickets, stop showing up for games etc. But our fans won't thats tthe proble we just sit there and take it, & fucking years of this shit and we just take it pathetic really.

Mean got rid of my red member ship told the club what i thought about them and how they run things, wish more fans would do this too.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Glazers are worse than Kroenke and Usmanov put together yet Utd seem to winning everything left right and center. Ever wonder why?

- First, coz Fergie has one job and one job only- Managing the football side of things. He is not appointing his boss, negotiating contracts, setting up the design of the dressing rooms etc
- Second, coz Fergie is not a mouthpiece of the board. I bet you that if even for one day Glazers tell him that he is not going to get necessary funds to strengthen the team, he will quit the job. He is a winner and wont be happy just collecting his 6 million quid pay check every year. Unfortunately our manager seems happy stuffing his pockets and running a good business.

Don't disagree, never mentiond the glazers or said they were not worse :confused:

[Letters]

We are OWNED by TWO bilionaires - FOREIGN ones at that!

The difference between us city/chelsea is that their owners don't see the clubs as pure investment entities.

No. They see the clubs as very expensive play-things. They pump enough money in to rack up a few trophies, which everyone knows the club would never have achieved otherwise, and then they brag to all their billionaire friends about their 'achievements'. Hurrah.

Screw that. I want Arsenal to be a success but not like that. It completely taints any trophies we may 'win' and if the billionaires in question get bored and decide to call in their debts...good luck with that.

[fakeyank]

Don't disagree, never mentiond the glazers or said they were not worse :confused:

What I wanted to say was that you only mention City and Chelsea as having owners who are just pumping money while you show Kroenke/Usmanov as money making leeches. Though it seems true, it is the same case with Utd as well. Difference is the manager and that is why we are fighting for 4th place and why Utd are champions. You can only hide that much long under the shadow of 'our owners are fucking us'... owners are businessmen and are money minded by nature. We unfortunately have a manager who agrees and is a mouthpiece of the board.

[Kano]

Didn't think the thread was OT, but your are entitled to your opinion mate. Seems to me that it's come to the point though that short of us a) risking the club's stability by joining the £200k pw club, or b) signing a super marquee player, there are Gooners who are now almost permanently disenchanted with their club.

that also stems from the frustration of not seeing the club give its all to build upon any potential in the team, where we have seen too many chances in the cup competitions wasted. if we weren't constantly rebuilding the team and giving the cups parity like other clubs have done in recent years and still not moving on, then at least things would become a lot clearer. with all the murkiness off the field with our ownership, fan favourites moving on every season and the sense of wasted opportunities, it is hard to see a change when the current pattern seems so familiar.

us football fans are very basic with our desires in the game and even during the darkest of times it is hope that keeps you coming back, as you never know what might change....

and so what is so damaging at the moment is because of all the reasons i mentioned above, any hope of realistically winning the title or even a cup - which really should be achievable every season for a club our size - are very faint. starting the season pretty much knowing you are going to finish 3/4/5 is ok but a bit of a flatline for fans of a big club to get excited about. if it was for a season or two, then fine but if feels like this is it for the foreseeable future. i don't think that is being particularly spoilt because everyone follows a club with an expectation of what they want back from giving their support. our belief that we are a big club that should be giving its all for honours is built not only on what we see during our time supporting but also the history books.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

What I wanted to say was that you only mention City and Chelsea as having owners who are just pumping money while you show Kroenke/Usmanov as money making leeches. Though it seems true, it is the same case with Utd as well. Difference is the manager and that is why we are fighting for 4th place and why Utd are champions. You can only hide that much long under the shadow of 'our owners are fucking us'... owners are businessmen and are money minded by nature. We unfortunately have a manager who agrees and is a mouthpiece of the board.

Never said that, i said they Own their clubs were as ours don't we don't have an Owner was the point i was making. While it seems Wenger is a yes man for the board only he can really tell us why he does the things he does maybe its because they pay him that would be my guess.

Again im agree with you, my views on Wenger have changed since i left the board.

[gooners]

No. They see the clubs as very expensive play-things. They pump enough money in to rack up a few trophies, which everyone knows the club would never have achieved otherwise, and then they brag to all their billionaire friends about their 'achievements'. Hurrah.

Screw that. I want Arsenal to be a success but not like that. It completely taints any trophies we may 'win' and if the billionaires in question get bored and decide to call in their debts...good luck with that.

Once again we are owned by billionaires not a charity.

It used to be 'we don't want that, will destroy the tradition of the club'. Now it is whether or not "They see the clubs as very expensive play-things" or run the club like Sainsburys.

[Ollie the Optimist]

Once again we are owned by billionaires not a charity.

It used to be 'we don't want that, will destroy the tradition of the club'. Now it is whether or not "They see the clubs as very expensive play-things" or run the club like Sainsburys.

as said before, you cant operate a fucking buisness when you spend 117% of your entire annual turnover on fucking wages. from when the arab owners took over city, they ahve spent close to a billion if not more including entire costs etc in about 4/5 years to win the league. A FUCKING BILLION QUID TO BUY THE LEAGUE. thats not sport, thats look at me i have a bigger penis extension then you

[Letters]

Once again we are owned by billionaires not a charity.

Yes, but we're not reliant on them.