Wenger's legacy - has it held us back

[Gervinho's Forehead]

Difference is those players weren't told 4th place is an achievement to be proud of.

Very true

It's another one of Wengers sound bites that gets repeated every week for comic affect. What's worse is I don't think he thought there was anything wrong with saying it!

[Injury Time]

Football isn't all about talent, there's the mental side which plays a big part, the belief, desire and winning mentality.

Good job we don't have a cheese eating surrender monkey in charge then...ah shit

[Özim]

I can't believe people persist to excuse the guy who has been totally shown up and time after time has been seen making baffling decisions noone in their right minds would make.

Or is that the boards fault as well?

[Power n Glory]

Wenger has lower quality players than he used to have when we were good.

It's as simple as that.

He isn't any less of a manager now then he was in 1998.

The team HE created has been gutted. Cesc, RVP, Nasri etc all sold year after year. NO manager in the world could cope with that year after year and would have fucked off as soon as we didn't pay Ashley Cole what we promised him. Wenger is a great man and manager. The players are not so great. He's not a miracle worker.

He should have walked years ago and I'm sure he wishes that he did.

Has the stadard dropped so low that we can't beat teams like Swansea and Norwich? I disagree with that. Even if we don't have a team that can challenge for the title, we shouldn't look so toothless against certain teams each year and we should have at least won a domestic cup by now.

Wenger is supposed to be one of the elite mangers and even if he had players that were on the same level as Swansea players or lower, he should still come out on top because he's supposed to be the more skilled manager. He is supposed to be of the elite class and it's why he gets paid so much. This is like seeing Hamilton or Alonso go head to head against a Force India or HRT driver and constantly getting beat. Our manager and team should be miles ahead of these guys. It's a disgrace and right now it looks like Wenger is no better than guys like Hughes, Mancini and Di Matteo...pay cheaque managers that need super star players to get results. Wenger might as well have moved to PSG and joined a super rich club where he can buy who he wants. He's not cut out to manage us and we don't want him anymore.

[Xhaka Can’t]

But honestly it's how bad the relationship with Wenger has become, that I and many others are question the whole of his tenure. These are sad times we're in.

I do think the question of him riding on the success or Graham and Rioch is valid one, for the team he inherited.

I feel the same way about Wenger as I felt about GG towards the end of his tenure. I've still got programme notes with Graham regularly stating that he was in the market for players but wasn't going to spend money on players that weren't any better than the ones we already had - does this sound familiar to anyone?

Don't get me wrong, but I loved GG and look back on what he achieved and how he achieved success with us with pride. But football moved on and GG did not and we progressively got worse and more and more uncompetitive - even with the great quality of the back four and a lethal striker.

I wanted GG out at that point - so it seems did the Board, but they were spineless bastards that used football bungs that were an endemic throughout football and an established part of the culture to hang him out to dry. The Board then were complete and utter ****s.

As for Rioch - what can anyone say? It looks like it was always the intention for him to be an interim Manager - what other rationale can there be for what happened? The treatment of Rioch was also compounded by the behaviour of Wright who publically treated Rioch with contempt and there were rumours that Wright even complained directly to Rioch's bosses about him.

Wenger didn't ride on anyone's success, he built on it beyond anyone's dreams to create a team that simply blew people's minds away delivering the type of success and football no one alive today has ever seen before at Arsenal.

But that was back in the day when he did innovative things such as invest in top top quality players. I don't see him ever doing that again, and just as football moved on past GG who demonstrated an inability to change, so it now has to Wenger.

Feeling that way in no way undermines the respect I have and how grateful I am of what GG and AW did for our Club, but both of them stayed on too long. I hope against hope that Wenger calls it a day.

[fakeyank]

So why does Wenger stay? Honestly. Why not fuck off to PSG? I honestly can't understand why a proud, stubborn man, who can say that he is the best we have had, would put up with being undermined. I mean its not as though its a money thing. What is Wenger's motivation if he is being manipulated?

Amen brother.

[Power n Glory]

Only just watching MOTD.

Bar RVP and Rooney, that Man Utd team is bloody average. But they're still able to push for the title.

[saintnickle]

Wenger has lower quality players than he used to have when we were good.

It's as simple as that.

He isn't any less of a manager now then he was in 1998.

The team HE created has been gutted. Cesc, RVP, Nasri etc all sold year after year. NO manager in the world could cope with that year after year and would have fucked off as soon as we didn't pay Ashley Cole what we promised him. Wenger is a great man and manager. The players are not so great. He's not a miracle worker.

He should have walked years ago and I'm sure he wishes that he did.

One of the biggest problems i see is that wenger cant change the tactics or the team personell when the situation dictates.Fergie wasnt frightened to sub rafael after 30 min even though the player was angry and hurt by it.He did it for the good of the team .This is something wenger wouldnt do for fear of upsetting the player.He even waited till the usual 70th min before bringing off santos even though he knew he was a liability.These arent the decisions of a tactical genius more of a man who cant deviate from a set plan.

[BOBN]

I don't know where you draw the line, but it has to be well before selling your captain to Man Utd. I wonder if there is anything Wenger won't do for his share of the pie. Even if he only treats this as a job, how can you respect a man that can't stand up to his employers after 16 years of service?

Wenger has no breaking point and will continue to carry out humilating tasks as long as money is thrown his way. He's a sell-out and a pussy and he needs to fuck off.

best post.

all this "does he have the money" is irrelevant now. hes totally complicit and theres no need to over-think why. 7 million per annum.

[BOBN]

So why does Wenger stay? Honestly. Why not fuck off to PSG? I honestly can't understand why a proud, stubborn man, who can say that he is the best we have had, would put up with being undermined. I mean its not as though its a money thing. What is Wenger's motivation if he is being manipulated?

PSG are not messing about. they wouldnt tolerate barren spells and will expect to do very well in the champions league.

nobody else would pay wenger this much for this long and he knows it.