The Bitter Truth?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We shouldn't still be talking about money really because we haven't collapsed due to a lack of it. I think it's become quite apparent the manager cannot extract anything else from his players now. It's the time of year where everyone is fighting for something but for some reason our players look dead on their feet and like they'd rather be elsewhere. Why???

I don't disagree I dont think Wenger can motivate these players, but I don't think the club can afford a new set up. I am not talking about our finances to absolve Wenger of blame because I don't think our lack of money explains the performances and lack of game plan. But it's easy for the board to keep him on because the managerial and coaching set up we would need to take us forward is beyond the clubs finances when we struggle to break even without player sales

[fakeyank]

We shouldn't still be talking about money really because we haven't collapsed due to a lack of it. I think it's become quite apparent the manager cannot extract anything else from his players now. It's the time of year where everyone is fighting for something but for some reason our players look dead on their feet and like they'd rather be elsewhere. Why???

Thank you baby jesus! The problem is not the money! Even with 100 billion dollars, wenger would sign CAM players who would tippy tappy the ball all over the field and their mentality would be as fragile as that of an adolescent girl.

[Shaqiri Is Boss]

My confusion was more down to it sounding as if every penny had been wasted in that time, when that isn't really the case.And the time has been extended a bit, for example Johnson was actually bought in 2009 and complicated because of Portsmouth's financial problems. We've had more than our fair share of duds in the last few years though.

And though our matchday and TV revenue is far lower than yours has been, our commercial revenue has been quite a lot higher (both things to change next season which will obviously take time to filter through accounts etc... touch wood) and we've been cutting our wage bill/holding it steady for the last few years which I think I'm right in saying is also a fair bit lower than yours.

But yeah, I wasn't really arguing. More confused.

[Dein-machine]

We can't afford to spend 20 million on Jordan Henderson in the hope that he's as good as Aaron Ramsey, 12 million on mid table players like Joe Allen and Fabio Borini. It's like you telling me I should invest in property, but if I can't afford the deposit and I can't borrow the money it's empty advice.

we can afford to spend £20 mill on players - the Chief Exec is telling you that & has done for the past few years. You argument doesn't make sense. How much did we spend on Ramsey in the hope he could be a world class player, not £20 mill but in todays inflated market probably not far off. Its taken a while but he's now proving himself & whether its playing well in a successful Arsenal team or selling him to Real for £60 mill it was money well spent. Your example in relation to property is not relevant. You state you can't afford to buy another house or even put down the deposit, well Arsenal football club can afford to buy £50 mill + players & put down any deposits required. The problem is our manager chooses not to because he's stuck in his twilight world of bringing in the likes of Flamini's & Sonogo's on free transfers whilst spouting crap about competing with the big clubs.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

It's there in black and white, we bought one 43million player blowing two thirds of our cash reserve, and because we didnt recoup any big money from player sales in the summer we recorded a financial loss.

we can afford to spend £20 mill on players - the Chief Exec is telling you that & has done for the past few years. You argument doesn't make sense. How much did we spend on Ramsey in the hope he could be a world class player, not £20 mill but in todays inflated market probably not far off. Its taken a while but he's now proving himself & whether its playing well in a successful Arsenal team or selling him to Real for £60 mill it was money well spent. Your example in relation to property is not relevant. You state you can't afford to buy another house or even put down the deposit, well Arsenal football club can afford to buy £50 mill + players & put down any deposits required. The problem is our manager chooses not to because he's stuck in his twilight world of bringing in the likes of Flamini's & Sonogo's on free transfers whilst spouting crap about competing with the big clubs.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

We bought them in on frees because we could just about afford a one off outlay from the money we have saved down the years.

[BlindFaith_8]

The Bitter Truth;

A manager who has failed to win anything in 9 years, yet remains one of the highest paid managers in th world.
A manager who has no ability to motivate his players which was confirmed by the 6 nil drubbing on his landmark 1000th game.
A manager who has signed average players on long term contracts who are not fit to the wear the shirt.
A manager who is so stubborn and will never change his old ways and bad habits, like playing the same shit players week in week out, and not changing the teams shape or players when the game is going away from us.
A manager who always backs his shit signings even though the whole world can see they were a dud signings ala Arteta and Giroud and Sanogo and Bednter
A manager who refuses to sign world class players apart from Ozil which we paid £42 Mill too much for.
A manager who is so deluded believes that 4th place is the same as winning a cup and better

To sum it all up, Arsenal FC has become a total joke in everyones eyes, I mean who cares about the debt or the money, all we fans want is a succesuful club which is challeneging on the domestic front and in Europe. I want to see a manager who has Plan to Plan e, a manager who is tactically aware of his opponents strengths and weakness and who can set up a team from being humiliated every other game.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Thank you baby jesus! The problem is not the money! Even with 100 billion dollars, wenger would sign CAM players who would tippy tappy the ball all over the field and their mentality would be as fragile as that of an adolescent girl.

The problem with people on this board is that they either take one view or the other as if the two are necessary polar opposites. Stating that the money is not there doesn't mean I'm defending Wenger I'm not, I don't think he is good enough anymore but the point is that we cannot afford the financial outlays that Liverpool have, we cannot afford to sign players like Aquilani, Downing etc and then write off the money when they prove to be duds. The cost of running the club and the wage bill has meant that our profits have occurred from player sales, and when the sales aren't being made we run at a loss. Wenger is not good enough, but the board know we cannot overhaul the management and coaching staff anymore than we can the squad and we have to overplay and risk injuries to players like Ramsey, Wilshere, Walcott have to spend loads on them to keep them from joining other clubs and we are stuck with geriatric flops like Arteta who doesn't have the legs to stop Everton, Chelsea, Liverpool making him look stupid whatever game plan we put out.

[Letters]

You say it all the time.

No. I have literally never said that.

[Dein-machine]

It's there in black and white, we bought one 43million player blowing two thirds of our cash reserve, and because we didnt recoup any big money from player sales in the summer we recorded a financial loss.

Recording a financial loss is not an excuse for any business to not spend. In some cases its the end of the road for them if they don't. You have to spend to become more competitive, more reliable, recruiting better staff etc etc. We have been building cash reserves for years. I agree with you that we could have done more to sell players but again Wenger chose not to. IMO we could sell Monreal, Arteta, Rosucky, Giroud, Bentdner, Vermaelen & Podolski & easily expect to recoup £50 mill - why with our high cash reserves & stadium dept dropping would not want to strengthen our squad with quality/expensive players if we are to compete.