Wenger Referendum II - And this time it's personal

[mr_brighterside]

he needs to go imo. he's become the master at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, it's too late for us to have a chance at the title this year and cl is almost certainly a goner too.

[AFC Leveller]

We are 9 points of Chelsea (if they win their game in hand) but with them coming to our place still plus a couple of other tough ish games against Man ure and Liverpool, its all to play for for us interms of title or at least 2nd place.

Wenger should stay on if we get 3rd or above and the win the FA cup too.

[fakeyank]

We are 9 points of Chelsea (if they win their game in hand) but with them coming to our place still plus a couple of other tough ish games against Man ure and Liverpool, its all to play for for us interms of title or at least 2nd place.

Wenger should stay on if we get 3rd or above and the win the FA cup too.

There is a very good chance Chelsea will drop a few points and we could be in touching distance of them come April when we play them. You know whats going to happen next, dont you? Mourinho will analyze and break down every bit of information about our game and set up to hit us on the counter... and we WILL get hit on the counter, as expected. You are not going to get anything different out of Wenger... sure a couple of wins and some sexy goals will bring the Wenger lovers 'giving him one more season' but the stats will say that this is going to be a false dawn, as usual.

Wenger needs to quit after this season.. no 2 ways about it. I am actually disappointed to see that 5 people actually want him to stay. Some people never learn..

[Letters]

You know my conditions.. challenge for the PL, challenge for the CL and beat a Mourinho side. I do not think any of this is going to happen this season. May be the last one has a chance but I definitely wont be holding my breath. I know that Mourinho will be salivating to get one more win against Wenger.. unfortunately I do not see Wenger having that same kind of hunger to put one over Mourinho.

I have seen enough false dawns under Wenger to know that a few wins will usually lead to nothing but disappointment.

It's hardly a few wins. Our last 24 games, since we lost the Utd game at home, we have W19 D1 L4 in all competitions.
It's a pretty impressive run.

You are right about false dawns but I've suggested a few things which may indicate this is a bit different.
If we finish 3rd, or even 2nd, and retain the Cup then we'll have won two major trophies in two seasons and be well placed to push on and challenge next year.
We've been well placed like this before of course but I do see the Utd result as significant and if we beat Chelsea too then that might show something about this team which we haven't seen for a long time.

[Alpha]

There is a very good chance Chelsea will drop a few points and we could be in touching distance of them come April when we play them. You know whats going to happen next, dont you? Mourinho will analyze and break down every bit of information about our game and set up to hit us on the counter... and we WILL get hit on the counter, as expected. You are not going to get anything different out of Wenger... sure a couple of wins and some sexy goals will bring the Wenger lovers 'giving him one more season' but the stats will say that this is going to be a false dawn, as usual.

Wenger needs to quit after this season.. no 2 ways about it. I am actually disappointed to see that 5 people actually want him to stay. Some people never learn..

Fakeyank , do you know that most people don't like their job, especially when they see the boy next door driving a Lamborghini or a Ferrari they can't afford ? But they stick to their job which allows them to pay their bills , to have a decent Holliday ,to pay themselves a second hand bike ..etc..All that because , they might not have the qualification required to have a better job or simply a connection or information to a better job or their health or family commitment could be the problem .
The problem is not Wenger in or out . The problem is who will replace him and deliver a better job than him? Will the board back him with more money ? Is the board ready to invest more money than they did with Wenger ?
They always say the devil you know is better than the angel you don't know .

[fakeyank]

It's hardly a few wins. Our last 24 games, since we lost the Utd game at home, we have W19 D1 L4 in all competitions.
It's a pretty impressive run.

You are right about false dawns but I've suggested a few things which may indicate this is a bit different.
If we finish 3rd, or even 2nd, and retain the Cup then we'll have won two major trophies in two seasons and be well placed to push on and challenge next year.
We've been well placed like this before of course but I do see the Utd result as significant and if we beat Chelsea too then that might show something about this team which we haven't seen for a long time.

I'll give you another impressive run we went on in 2008/09 season (IMO one of the worst football was played by Arsenal this season, with Denilson in the forefront). During this season, we went on a run that started in November 08 in the PL. That run had just one defeat till the end of the season. One freaking defeat in 6 months is bloody impressive you would think. Unfortunately not, we had 10 draws during this time, 4 of which were consecutive 0-0 draws.

We can go on another 10 match unbeaten run, but if we are 10 points behind the champions come may, 'this run' makes no difference to me. Stats can be interpreted and twisted according to an individuals preference. What you cannot change is the end result.. have we challenged? Have we showed that we can play the big boys in Europe and look like an European power house? I do not see these turning in the favor of Arsenal till the time AW is in charge.

I will tell you however that beating Mourinho will really make me rethink my position! In fact, if you ask me which I'd rather have- the FA cup or a win over Chelsea with Mourinho as manager, I'd pick the later.

[Xhaka Can’t]

It's hardly a few wins. Our last 24 games, since we lost the Utd game at home, we have W19 D1 L4 in all competitions.
It's a pretty impressive run.

You are right about false dawns but I've suggested a few things which may indicate this is a bit different.
If we finish 3rd, or even 2nd, and retain the Cup then we'll have won two major trophies in two seasons and be well placed to push on and challenge next year.
We've been well placed like this before of course but I do see the Utd result as significant and if we beat Chelsea too then that might show something about this team which we haven't seen for a long time.

Its a run that leaves us in a position where we have no hope of the title or a European challenge.

I'm done with cherry picking good runs during the course of a season that ultimately ends in the same type of failure.

We've done that season after season after season and ended up with one FA Cup to show for it all.

[LDG]

He still shows the same tactical ineptitude and inability to get the most out of a talented squad.

Two weeks ago, we were abysmal against Monaco, a gimme (if there is one) to the Qtr Finals. We ballsed it up as we weren't prepared for the bleeding obvious.

He has stumbled upon the Coquelin thing out of pure luck, and will likely replace him with Arteta as soon as he possibly can.

We are only a few matches away from another embarassment. A good team only has one or two embarassments a season. We're still racking up double figures.

It's nice to see us beat a shit Utd (like we should have done earlier in the year), but for me the only stand out result so far this year, is the win away to City. That's still a one off for me, as I don't regard Utd as any good at all. All we did was do what we should have done.

[Maestro]

It's a reasonable target over 10 seasons though and we should be aiming for and expect to win both the title and the CL. That should be the MINIMUM expectation at all times and it's entirely reasonable for a club with Arsenal's resources to effectively challenge for both. From the board through the manager the players and the fans, total victory across the spectrum is the goal at all times. Every loss is a failure and there are no excuses ever.

Above is a winning mentality.

"I don't think it's reasonable...", "I'd settle for...", "We can't expect to...", "Finishing 2nd would be an achievement...", "Better the devil you know...", these are all the loser's mentality. The moment you preface a challenge with any of these qualifiers you have lost.

You asked the question, I'm giving you an Olympic champion's, world heavyweight champion's, world cup winner's response. For people who get paid an obscene fortune every week to do what they love there are two ways to go, take those gifts and give back every ounce of effort in achieving all that can be achieved or be complacent and take without giving back.

In sport you can fail. Most do. But if you fail without expecting to succeed then your mentality is shit. If you fail having given every last drop of effort then that's an acceptable platform on which to try again. That's progress. Anything else is unacceptable. This isn't a charity or a hobby or a part time job, it's the pinnacle of professional sport. So I'll stick with requiring the title or the CL because I ASSUME the manager thinks the same way and will act accordingly. If that's not the case then of course he shouldn't be the manager.

Bang Bang ....Don D'Marco

[fakeyank]

Fakeyank , do you know that most people don't like their job, especially when they see the boy next door driving a Lamborghini or a Ferrari they can't afford ? But they stick to their job which allows them to pay their bills , to have a decent Holliday ,to pay themselves a second hand bike ..etc..All that because , they might not have the qualification required to have a better job or simply a connection or information to a better job or their health or family commitment could be the problem .
The problem is not Wenger in or out . The problem is who will replace him and deliver a better job than him? Will the board back him with more money ? Is the board ready to invest more money than they did with Wenger ?
They always say the devil you know is better than the angel you don't know .

Fear of the unknown should not be a reason to stick with mediocrity. Let's say you are in a relationship where your partner and you are not growing together, there is no love and no passion in the relationship. Do you break up? Or do you stick with the relationship because that is all you knew your entire life?

I can rattle off the same names about possible replacements like Simeone, Klopp, Martinez etc etc, but I am not going down that route. How many people thought Arsene Wenger would deliver when we signed him in 96? No one! There is no guarantees that the next manager will be the perfect fit for our club, but there is also a chance that the next manager just might be the perfect fit? Why look at only the negatives and not the positives of such a situation? It is not like Wenger was not given time to build his teams... he has time and again showed that his tactics and man management are one of the worst among the top teams in Europe.

So the question really is, why would I want him to stay on? We have showed our loyalty to him.. time to move on to bigger and better things!