Aye...I don't think it could get any worse than losing to them in the Cup Final, it would be unbearable.....couple that with us finishing below them and dare I say out of the top 4 and I think Wenger would be really walking the tight rope.Originally Posted by Letters
Honestly, if Spurs beat Chelsea I'd almost hope we lose to City, the thought of Spurs winning the FA Cup is bad enough, doing so by beating us...
I actually have a feeling they will beat Chelsea...
Its at Wembley so in essence they are at home, but they are lousy at Wembley. In reality if they can beat Chelsea they will deserve it. Methinks Conte will do the double in his first season. Ouch!
Make 2mrw better than 2day
Ouch indeed - shows what can be achieved through astute manager recruitment!
Putting the laughter back into manslaughter
Watching Chelsea last night, albeit against 10 men, they are so organised defensively and rock solid in midfield. A million miles away from our shambles.
That team that went out last night cost over 200million pound, so you'd hope so.
The basis for all top teams is being organised and efficient defensively, you start there and then work on improving your offensive abiity. Offensively we're not too bad, if a little one dimensional and don't like to shoot outside the 5 yard area, but defensively, well where do I start, we're awful and have been for a long time, no organisation, players in defence who don't know how to defend, don't play as a unit and no real leadership for the back line.
You can't win anything with a defence like that and there's no chance of beating superior teams when it matters.
It's not all about money, the Bayern team apparently costs less than us and are far superior. Building a solid defensive team is more about tactics, making the right signings and drilling players to be organised and play as one unit.
As for the midfield, again tactics and having the right blend of players is important.
Besides is 200 million that much, we spent 90 odd million on 3 players in the summer, on that basis if we average the same spend over other positions our net spend would be 330 million.
We spent 90 million during an inflated transfer market, unless you are telling me Xhaka and Mustafi would have cost a combined 70 million had we tried to sign them in 2014.
I keep seeing this Bayern team cheaper than ours, and even if the team on the night was cheaper i bet you their overall squad is much more expensive.
Martinez, Hummels, Neur, Vidal, Douglas Costa, Robben, Ribery, Alcantara, Lewandowski, Renato, Boateng
I make these players to have been about 250 million in transfer fees.
That plus they can attract pretty much any player they want in Germany because of their long standing reputation (nickname of FC Hollywood)
But of course it's totally about mental strength, money has no factor and Bayern don't make more commercially than us despite having far cheaper tickets
Do I also have to go through the tedious ritual of having to clarify that this doesn't absolve Wenger and that i want a better manager to make us tougher mentally and to take us forward, but that ultimately clubs that are bigger historically than us as well as clubs that can spend more than us will dominate both domestically and in europe.
Last edited by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie; 14-03-2017 at 02:57 PM.
We didn't look all that bad on defence when Merts and Sagna were in the team. It was more solid than our attack and now it looks like it's the reverse. No slight on their replacements, but this is the problem we'll always get under Wenger. Because he takes too long to address weak areas like our attack, by the time he's managed to work out our best attacking combo, we've lose key players in defence because of old age or having to sell. It keeps happening.
Good striker - Piss poor defence
Good Midfield -Piss poor strikers
Good Defence - Piss poor midfield and attack.
And around it goes.
We spent 90 million because we don't do our homework and wait until the end of the transfer window, so we overpend one players that aren't worth that much, Mustafi being a prime example (Xhaka we massively overpaid for when Kante who was proven in the PL could have been bought for less).
Maybe they can attract any player in Germany, but we should be able to as well, Bayern go for their targets and don't mess about, they don't give anyone else a chance to sneak in and sign them, whereas we sit around for months and that's the issue, otherwise we could have signed some of the players they signed.
Bayern make more money because they're more successful and success pays which is something our club doesn't understand, if you want to make more money and grow then coming 3rd/4th every season doesn't cut it.
Bayern are there on merit, they don't mess about and sign the players they want with minimal fuss without haggling over a few pennies here and there, they also strive for success and their record suggest they do well, winning regularly and performing admirably in Europe, as I said success pays, we'll never make us much because we really aren't successful and losers don't generally reap the rewards.
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