Should Wenger be sacked now?

[Power n Glory]

Final point...without Wenger, the Board wouldn't be able to build on the cheap because we started this project because we had Arsene Wenger as the manager, it's not the other way round.

If Wenger goes, they'll have tweak their plans.

[Niall_Quinn]

Final point...without Wenger, the Board wouldn't be able to build on the cheap because we started this project because we had Arsene Wenger as the manager, it's not the other way round.

If Wenger goes, they'll have tweak their plans.

This is like saying Hitler could be hampered by assassinating his generals. True enough, but why not just kill Hitler?

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm not saying the board is directly responsible for Wenger's decision making, but I do say they are indirectly and ultimately responsible (or at least they share in the responsibility) for the reasons given in my last response. When football is not the primary objective at a football club then that is going to filter through to every nook and corner.

[Power n Glory]

No, because Wenger is the man with the vision and the Board have backed him with his plans. Why didn't we move for a bigger stadium before under Graham? Why haven't we always been a team that has a strong youth set up? How comes we built the new training ground when Wenger arrives and not before?

Wenger is the talent and the Board have backed him because they thought we could achieve great things under Wenger. If Wenger had never joined us and we ended up with someone like Redknapp, Keegan or whoever, we wouldn't be here and the club would have taken a totally different direction. Credit to Wenger for getting us this far but there is no gas left in the tank and the Board don't seem to realise that their golden goose is out of eggs.

[Cripps_orig]

Yes

[Olivier's xmas twist]

But we are finished.

We started at Newcastle in the 4-4.

We finished at United with the 8-2.

Now we're down to the dregs.

I meant how we finshish in may who knows how we will. its easy to say we will be relegated or be in a battle on form(which is obviously rubbish) We are where liverpool are a few seasons ago imo. And rvp is like Gerrard in the season carrying the team on his own, no wonder he won't sign a deal fair play to the lad.

[Niall_Quinn]

No, because Wenger is the man with the vision and the Board have backed him with his plans. Why didn't we move for a bigger stadium before under Graham? Why haven't we always been a team that has a strong youth set up? How comes we built the new training ground when Wenger arrives and not before?

Okay, I'll give that a go.

1. Why didn't we move for a bigger stadium before under Graham?
A. Wenger took us on a level and the board could then see the merits of getting more seats installed so more fans could be milked.

2. Why haven't we always been a team that has a strong youth set up?
A. Wenger's ability to spot talent opened up a lucrative opportunity to get players cheap and flog them at huge profits which could then be banked by the board and in turn used to drive up the value of their shareholdings which they then flogged, again at a massive profit (100% in some cases)

3. How comes we built the new training ground when Wenger arrives and not before?
A See answer #2, the training ground goes in the cost of sales column.

[Power n Glory]

Okay, I'll give that a go.

1. Why didn't we move for a bigger stadium before under Graham?
A. Wenger took us on a level and the board could then see the merits of getting more seats installed so more fans could be milked.

2. Why haven't we always been a team that has a strong youth set up?
A. Wenger's ability to spot talent opened up a lucrative opportunity to get players cheap and flog them at huge profits which could then be banked by the board and in turn used to drive up the value of their shareholdings which they then flogged, again at a massive profit (100% in some cases)

3. How comes we built the new training ground when Wenger arrives and not before?
A See answer #2, the training ground goes in the cost of sales column.

Which Board wouldn't do this if they had Arsene Wenger as a manager? Wouldn't they be accused of being shortsighted if they passed up the opportunity to sign him but Spurs signed him instead and got the big stadium, profits and medals? That would have gone down well. They listened to his ideas and ran with it. Anyone with sense would do that. But if they had someone else, the strategy would be very different.

They have to run a club that makes money, what else do you expect?

[Niall_Quinn]

Which Board wouldn't do this if they had Arsene Wenger as a manager? Wouldn't they be accused of being shortsighted if they passed up the opportunity to sign him but Spurs signed him instead and got the big stadium, profits and medals? That would have gone down well. They listened to his ideas and ran with it. Anyone with sense would do that. But if they had someone else, the strategy would be very different.

They have to run a club that makes money, what else do you expect?

I expect them to make money AND win trophies. Nothing less is good enough considering how much they are personally profiting.

[Power n Glory]

I expect them to make money AND win trophies. Nothing less is good enough considering how much they are personally profiting.

And the same should be said for Wenger. We can't give him millions to splash out on player but he has to make smarter decisions. We've spent more on our defence than Stoke but our defensive record is shocking when compared. How comes relegation candidates can pull off smash and grabs against us but we can't do the same? It's the manager but I understand why the board won't be so quick to sack him. This is a 20 plus year plan and we look close to completing it. We're on a wobble now but they probably feel it's only right to back Wenger considering the number of years he's given us and without him, none of this would be possible.