Goodbye Sanga?

[Olivier's xmas twist]

Charlie kicked his ass.

NBN, not so much.

Well i don't like to brag

[Cripps_orig]

Well i don't like to brag

GW

[Marc Overmars]

True enough.

Ask the player if he'll take the average working wage plus a GUARANTEE he'll win something EVERY YEAR. Which comes first? Which is foremost? Football's a job, and a lucrative one at that. Le Tissier retired a long time ago. Why do the players keep going on about medals and cups? Because they know that's what the FANS want - not them, they are after the money but all this BS talk of trophies makes them sound respectable.

Not sure I agree with that. They're still professional and competitive sportsmen, if they didn't want to win they wouldn't be doing what they do and that goes for every sport. It's true that footballers are mercenaries but it's the nature of the sport itself that has turned them this way. I don't think it's a case of one or the other, more that both go hand in hand now.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

GW

Well we know how shite Goonersworld is whats your point

[Cripps_orig]

Oh dear

GW indeed

[McNamara That Ghost...]

Guys, debate. Not Arsenal be dicks.

[Kano]

Not sure I agree with that. They're still professional and competitive sportsmen, if they didn't want to win they wouldn't be doing what they do and that goes for every sport. It's true that footballers are mercenaries but it's the nature of the sport itself that has turned them this way. I don't think it's a case of one or the other, more that both go hand in hand now.

the desire to win is at the very heart of any competitive sport, either to win the point, the tackle, that sprint, its inherent to us as people in every way. in the football world i'm not sure what comes first for most players anymore, whether it is the lure of financial reward or the glitter of a medal that means more. players want to win and claim everything that comes with that - which isn't just money or cups - but it is hard to understand what is more important for them.

[Niall_Quinn]

Not sure I agree with that. They're still professional and competitive sportsmen, if they didn't want to win they wouldn't be doing what they do and that goes for every sport. It's true that footballers are mercenaries but it's the nature of the sport itself that has turned them this way. I don't think it's a case of one or the other, more that both go hand in hand now.

Competitive maybe. Professional sportsmen? No way. Genuine sportsmen don't cheat, they don't claim penalties and free kicks when they know bloody well they weren't touched. They don't hold their face when they get tapped on the knee. They don't try to get their opponents disqualified. Usain Bolt is a sportsman. Ben Johnson wasn't, he was a lousy cheat. Same as modern footballers. Win at all costs including violation of the rules is not sportsmanship. Give 100% and win within the rules, that's proper sport. And shake your opponent's hand at the end, win, lose or draw. The Ferdinand bitches, Terry and Cole - professional? Can't see it. And what I'm saying is if they have no respect for the game when they are on the pitch then I don't give much credence to what they claim when the are off it. What I see with this lot is they are always hanging around the manager's door looking for a pay rise when all they really do each week is bring the game into disrepute. And so I wonder how much they actually love the game and how much by comparison they love the cash. Their actions speak pretty loud, a few exceptions notwithstanding.

Anyway, regarding Sagna. My attitude is fuck him, if he wants to stay, fuck him. If he wants to go, fuck him.

[V-Pig]

Guys, debate. Not Arsenal be dicks.

To find your porn name, simply aggravate Maccy and look at the last 3 words of what he says in response.

Hi, I'm Arsenal B. Dicks. But you can call me ARSE. Or DICKS.

I'm 9.2inches and have HIV. What.

[Boss]

Quite a few shockers over the last ten pages.