Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

[Niall_Quinn]

Why - because we won the FA Cup, pubing through the semi's & final, proudly taking over as holders from the mighty Wigan.

Of course because we won the FA Cup. A write-off is when you throw something in the bin because zero value remains. Unless the FA Cup is perceived as having no value whatsoever then winning it means the season wasn't a write-off.

[Dein-machine]

*sigh*

I went through this with someone else the other day but, in brief, the mighty Wigan beat City in the final which was a shock result.
And Portsmouth won it one time (vs Millwall, wasn't it?) in a freak season when none of the top sides made it to the final.
Every other year in recent memory it's been a top side winning it. Of course the nature of the cup, any cup, is that shock results can happen on the day which doesn't guarantee a top side winning it but in the last 20 years those are the only 2 notable exceptions to the rule that it always has been.
And we did play 3 of the top 6 on the way to the semi-final. All at home, granted, but we earned our place.
You can't beat Wenger with the stick of not winning trophies and then dismiss it when we do win one.

*sigh*
We didn't move to the Emirates in order to win the FA cup once every decade.
We were winning titles & reaching C.L. semi's & finals whilst playing great football, the move was to enable us to build on this a become a European super power.

Now, we play shit football & have for a few years now, we don't get compete to win our own league, wank ourselves silly over 4th place & now acknowledge that finishing 2nd in our C.L. qualifying group gets us a good raping from one of the actual European super powers. Were we not supposed to be on of them by now. And those of us with season tickets pay more than any of the supporters of the top teams that we're supposed to be as good as.

But, never mind - we won the FA cup.

[Letters]

*sigh*
We didn't move to the Emirates in order to win the FA cup once every decade.

Agreed, but if you're going to beat Wenger with the stick of not having won a trophy in 'n' years then it's a bit rich to then dismiss it out of hand when we do finally win one.
The FA Cup has been devalued by the CL but it's still a major trophy.

The move was clearly needed but quite a few factors have conspired to mean it hasn't pushed us on as it might. You can argue Wenger is one of them, but you could also argue he did well to keep us 'up there' during the move. The billionaires sticking their nose in distorted the market, the commercial deals we had were good at the time but as things have spiralled ridiculously in terms of sponsorship deals we were stuck into them. That was arguably a wrong decision to tie ourselves in to long term deals but it was an understandable one given it ensured us the money to make the stadium repayments.

Now those deals are over we should have the resources to compete more seriously, the Ozil and Sanchez deals are signs of that. I think we all agree Wenger isn't the right person to push us on but he'll leave us in pretty good shape when he goes.

[Niall_Quinn]

*sigh*
We didn't move to the Emirates in order to win the FA cup once every decade.
We were winning titles & reaching C.L. semi's & finals whilst playing great football, the move was to enable us to build on this a become a European super power.

Now, we play shit football & have for a few years now, we don't get compete to win our own league, wank ourselves silly over 4th place & now acknowledge that finishing 2nd in our C.L. qualifying group gets us a good raping from one of the actual European super powers. Were we not supposed to be on of them by now. And those of us with season tickets pay more than any of the supporters of the top teams that we're supposed to be as good as.

But, never mind - we won the FA cup.

All fair enough points that I agree with. We're all pissed with the set up and return at Arsenal right now. But that doesn't make it legitimate to throw out the few positives as if they mean nothing. The point was not to win just the FA Cup, but we won it and that has at least some value if not all the value we wanted. Signing Alexis was a big positive too. And Chambers. But true enough, a club this size and a club that expects so much of the fans needs to be achieving more. Wenger will pay in the end if that doesn't happen. Nobody is immune and nobody can miss expectations forever without having to pay the consequences eventually. With Wenger it will be his legacy that's tarnished or even lost if he can't step up his game now there are resources available and the excuses have run out. The FA Cup was always seen as a kicking off point, not a culmination. We are fresh into a new season so the cup win still counts, but it won't count for much at the end of this season if we haven't pushed on.

[Globalgunner]

All fair enough points that I agree with. We're all pissed with the set up and return at Arsenal right now. But that doesn't make it legitimate to throw out the few positives as if they mean nothing. The point was not to win just the FA Cup, but we won it and that has at least some value if not all the value we wanted. Signing Alexis was a big positive too. And Chambers. But true enough, a club this size and a club that expects so much of the fans needs to be achieving more. Wenger will pay in the end if that doesn't happen. Nobody is immune and nobody can miss expectations forever without having to pay the consequences eventually. With Wenger it will be his legacy that's tarnished or even lost if he can't step up his game now there are resources available and the excuses have run out. The FA Cup was always seen as a kicking off point, not a culmination. We are fresh into a new season so the cup win still counts, but it won't count for much at the end of this season if we haven't pushed on.

You're still on this Wenger must do this Wenger must do that crap. I'm sorry, that ship has sailed?. Wenger is the problem, his legacy is already tainted. The FA cup was nice but as we can already see it was a blip. We are not building on it and we won't. The only question is if we will be forced to endure another 2 seasons of his intransigence and inanities. I hope not

[Niall_Quinn]

You're still on this Wenger must do this Wenger must do that crap. I'm sorry, that ship has sailed?. Wenger is the problem, his legacy is already tainted. The FA cup was nice but as we can already see it was a blip. We are not building on it and we won't. The only question is if we will be forced to endure another 2 seasons of his intransigence and inanities. I hope not

Well who else is going to do it if not Wenger? The board has already backed him unequivocally. He's delivering precisely what they want - revenues and a share price.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Well who else is going to do it if not Wenger? The board has already backed him unequivocally. He's delivering precisely what they want - revenues and a share price.

You can explain it to you're blue in the face some people just refuse to accept this very simple premise

You'd think the previous AGM was definitive proof if any were needed

Wenger is consistently delivering on a comparatively modest budget the results that allow the massive revenue streams, and that to the people that matter make him worth his salary and overlook his glaring deficiencies as a manager that are unlikely to be rectified by a man of his age.

So the only choice is to back the manager and ride out the groundhog season until 2017

[Globalgunner]

The problem is not the Arsenal board. It is this board. Do you think any of the Wenger doubters is under the delusion that we are speaking to the Arsenal board. The people who need convincing are the fans and we speak to them as we speak to you who deflect these arguments. Before Wenger signed the last contract we told you that this was a road to nowhere. You same people said no. He deserves another chance, he has money now. It's as if you want to pretend that this never happened and Wenger is just now showing signs of megalomania and delusion. At the end of 2017, the same people will find arguments for him to stay, basically, saying he's meeting the boards objectives so fans opinions don't count.

The board here is for fans....I cannot believe that any true fan can want this man to stay. What rational argument can any fan have to continue this perpetuation of stagnation

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

The problem is not the Arsenal board. It is this board. Do you think any of the Wenger doubters is under the delusion that we are speaking to the Arsenal board. The people who need convincing are the fans and we speak to them as we speak to you who deflect these arguments. Before Wenger signed the last contract we told you that this was a road to nowhere. You same people said no. He deserves another chance, he has money now. It's as if you want to pretend that this never happened and Wenger is just now showing signs of megalomania and delusion. At the end of 2017, the same people will find arguments for him to stay, basically, saying he's meeting the boards objectives so fans opinions don't count.

The board here is for fans....I cannot believe that any true fan can want this man to stay. What rational argument can any fan have to continue this perpetuation of stagnation

No i just deal in reality not hypothetical bubbles

Wenger should have gone last season, he didn't and as we are Arsenal fans and whether we like it or not he's the manager it's counter intuitive not to back him.

Either that or boycott the club until 2017

[Maestro]

i know it wont happen but he should be sacked today, there's absolutely no more mileage in this guy