West Ham away (PL) Match Reaction Thread

[Letters]

What's the purpose? Are you battling perception on GW or looking for evidence of improvement in the team?

A bit of both. If there's a perception that we drop too many points from winning positions then how else do you assess whether that's true that other than comparing what we're doing to other teams or our own performance in past seasons?
Otherwise it's just "yes we do", "no we don't" with no backup from either side.
Isn't this what Arsenal Debate is for?

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Didn't see it tbh, I was out and about, but I heard it was a good game generally. The positive is we didn't lose when it went to 3-2 and a point there generally is a good result, the negative is we were 2-0 up and should have won.
It's as simple as that really.

It's a good game if you are a neutral, do you honestly think Dortmund fans went home to Germany last night thinking "oh that was a cracker of a game" no they will think it was thrown away from 3-1 up.
In the context of the season when nothing but a win would do, I repeat what was exactly positive about the game after going 2-0 up?

[Letters]

It was an Arsenal fan who told me it was a good game.
And it's a bit different from last night when they ended up losing the game and tie.
You can repeat if you like and I can repeat what I said if you want to go round and round those circles all day.

[Power n Glory]

A bit of both. If there's a perception that we drop too many points from winning positions then how else do you assess whether that's true that other than comparing what we're doing to other teams or our own performance in past seasons?
Otherwise it's just "yes we do", "no we don't" with no backup from either side.
Isn't this what Arsenal Debate is for?

I'll leave this one here again because your ducking the points made and that's no way to debate.

What's the purpose? Are you battling perception on GW or looking for evidence of improvement in the team? Looking at what previous title winners have done is pretty pointless because they haven't gone 10 years or so without winning the league. That's what all this debate adds up to. Our inability to sustain a title challenge. Of course all teams drop points but we're a team that always seem to hit a glass ceiling. Since last winning the league, we've only finished the season with over 80 points twice (2004/05 and 2007/08). Nobody has won the league with less than 80 points since the late 98/99. That says it all really. We're just not improving.

The important comparison is the league table and how we perform. Comparing the times we've come back from a goal down or whatever else is pointless it means little in the grand scheme of of things. It goes back to what NQ said about viewing results in isolation and counting how many times we've come back from a goal or two down is pretty pointless.

[Letters]

Comparing the times we've come back from a goal down or whatever else is pointless it means little in the grand scheme of of things.

OK, then people should stop raising it as an issue then. I only started looking at the details because it was raised.

Yes, the bigger picture is we're not challenging. But surely the only way the debate can go from there is why aren't we? So then you can start looking at things like whether we drop too many points from winning positions or don't come back often enough from losing ones.

And yes yes, it all comes down to Wenger's a senile old goat and
But if you just want to reduce the debate to that then there IS nothing left to debate. So shall I just close this part of the forum till Wenger leaves?

[Niall_Quinn]

What's the purpose? Are you battling perception on GW or looking for evidence of improvement in the team? Looking at what previous title winners have done is pretty pointless because they haven't gone 10 years or so without winning the league. That's what all this debate adds up to. Our inability to sustain a title challenge. Of course all teams drop points but we're a team that always seem to hit a glass ceiling. Since last winning the league, we've only finished the season with over 80 points twice (2004/05 and 2007/08). Nobody has won the league with less than 80 points since the late 98/99. That says it all really. We're just not improving.

Devil's advocate I would say. He's actually doing a fair job of drumming up a bit of extra business for the site. Much better to login and not get that, "There are no new messages...", notice.

[Letters]

I'm actually saying what I think. But now apparently we're not supposed to look at statistics and debate points, it all comes down to #WengerOut.
So fine, let's shut up shop and when he leaves we can re-open the place, it'll save Gary and me some hosting money in the meantime.

[Niall_Quinn]

I'm actually saying what I think. But now apparently we're not supposed to look at statistics and debate points, it all comes down to #WengerOut.
So fine, let's shut up shop and when he leaves we can re-open the place, it'll save Gary and me some hosting money in the meantime.

I was being serious. However, if you are being serious too then that's an eye-opener. After this season, on what grounds could anyone have anything favourable to say about this guy? He's 100% stuffed it up and he deserves a ton of flack. What would be weird is if he wasn't getting it.

[Letters]

50 Shades of Grey, tbh

[selassie]

What are Cech, Sanchez and Ozil then?

Good players, of course they are CL level players but what about other areas of the squad or are you going to just ignore them like Wenger does?