West Ham away (PL) Match Reaction Thread

[selassie]

Again the squad is better than the team 13 points in front of us, it could of course be improved but it's more that it hasn't been utilised to get the best out of it.

Yep, Wenger is the problem, I've been saying that for about 3 years now Herb

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's pretty much my position too. My issue with some posters is the level of vitriol they spout indicates they think he is a shit manager and has done nothing positive over the last 10 years which is patently balls.

Or maybe they are sick of the same shit year in year out and are venting about the tiresome familiarity of it

Familiarity breeding contempt. But with the exception of people like Zim who has to be commended on his consistency if nothing else than the vitriol is most present when the chips are down, this is the same for all Arsenal fans.

People try to be quite even handed, few were saying this about Wenger when we won at home to United, City, Bayern Munich or Leicester. Because even though they fear the same thing will happen they hope as fans that this year just maybe it will be different and when it isn't it's a bitter pill to swallow.

[Power n Glory]

That's pretty much my position too. My issue with some posters is the level of vitriol they spout indicates they think he is a shit manager and has done nothing positive over the last 10 years which is patently balls.

That explains it really. Plenty of balanced opinions on here but you'll pick out the extreme in a post and ignore the rest. You take issue with posters more than the results hence why you want to compare results from other teams as if it's a meaningful exercise.

[Letters]

You not understanding it doesn't make it not meaningful

(Thought I'd go for the textbook PnG ur so fick tactic, there)

[Power n Glory]

You not understanding it doesn't make it not meaningful

(Thought I'd go for the textbook PnG ur so fick tactic, there)

debating.

[fakeyank]

Or maybe they are sick of the same shit year in year out and are venting about the tiresome familiarity of it

Familiarity breeding contempt. But with the exception of people like Zim who has to be commended on his consistency if nothing else than the vitriol is most present when the chips are down, this is the same for all Arsenal fans.

People try to be quite even handed, few were saying this about Wenger when we won at home to United, City, Bayern Munich or Leicester. Because even though they fear the same thing will happen they hope as fans that this year just maybe it will be different and when it isn't it's a bitter pill to swallow.

Pretty much summed it up. Wenger is not going to be shown the door with people talking like they are in a boardroom meeting being respectful of each other. The fans are agitated and it'll only get worse. There is serious anger and there will be vitriol shown.

IMO, I think people are way too nice to him and giving him an easy time for what he did in the 19th century (though some people think the abuse he gets now is bad). If it at least looked like he was making logical decisions and doing his best, I couldve cut him some slack but he has been on a WUMming spree for almost a decade, and I have no sympathy for whatever comes his way.

[Maestro]

Great work by Ty, to keep this website going. Seriously without him, we'd all agree that FCUK wenget and shut down shop. Admiral the staunch one man debating/wumming machine, this place needs it.

[GP]

Yep, Wenger is the problem, I've been saying that for about 3 years now Herb

Cunty McCuntface.

[Niall_Quinn]

Wenger MIGHT deserve a bit of credit for the 4th Place Trophy dynasty he has established if it ever amounted to more than making the owners rich. What's the point of top 4? We're only making up the expanded numbers so even more rich bloke like Platini can stuff their pockets. Wenger never actually prepares us to compete. Same every year. The rich get their cash, we get a glorious failure regardless of who we face. Why should the manager get credit for making rich blokes rich while failing to prepare the team to challenge? If he worked for a bank or a supermarket the customers would hate his guts, why should he get a free ride because it is football?

If he played any part at all in bringing Elneny in and bringing Iwobi on (and I doubt it) the fair play, I'll give him credit for that. But not the 4th place thing. All that is is a loser's badge.

[Özim]

Wenger MIGHT deserve a bit of credit for the 4th Place Trophy dynasty he has established if it ever amounted to more than making the owners rich. What's the point of top 4? We're only making up the expanded numbers so even more rich bloke like Platini can stuff their pockets. Wenger never actually prepares us to compete. Same every year. The rich get their cash, we get a glorious failure regardless of who we face. Why should the manager get credit for making rich blokes rich while failing to prepare the team to challenge? If he worked for a bank or a supermarket the customers would hate his guts, why should he get a free ride because it is football?

If he played any part at all in bringing Elneny in and bringing Iwobi on (and I doubt it) the fair play, I'll give him credit for that. But not the 4th place thing. All that is is a loser's badge.

Agreed 4th place is worthless unless it's a stepping stone to something better, 20 years ago noone gave a toss about coming 4th, then money came into the equation in the form of CL qualification (make no mistake that's all it is because we never ever compete and why would we, 4th place teams generally won't beat teams who win trophies to qualify).

To hail 4th place as an achievement is joke in a football sense.