Well then if Elneny is not good enough you get rid of him as well.Originally Posted by Gooner23
Well then if Elneny is not good enough you get rid of him as well.
My favorite player at Arsenal
Arsene Wenger, the only football manager that got paid 8 million quid to do nothing but sit on his arse..
That doesn't mean he's a box to box player. Coquelin often finds himself high up the pitch supporting attack. Is he box to box? Ozil can also find himself in deep positions. Does that make him a box to box midfielder?
Cazorla's game isn't reliant upon strong endurance and stamina. He's not a box to box midfielder. I'd reserve that description for someone like Pogba or how Ramsey plays.
If Cazorla isn't a box to box player than Aaron Ramsey certainly isn't
I count a box to box player as someone who wins the ball deep and runs with it therefore becoming the conduit between defence and attack
This was the role he fufilled along with Coquelin in the second half of the 2014/2015 season. Do i think that he is by trade a box to box midfielder....No absolutely he isn't, but that was the role he was put in next to coquelin the defensive midfielder.
The same way Wenger has employed both a defensive midfielder and a box to box midfielder in front of the defence in the past, with Petit and Vieira and Gilberto and Vieira.
My argument with Cazorla is that his legs are going the same way Artetas legs went to play that deep role, and he isn't scoring goals anymore to make it worth while playing him in an a more advanced role.
Coquelin supporting the attack doesn't make him a box to box player as he very rarely either runs with the ball or is able to find a player quickly with a forward pass
Last edited by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie; 06-09-2016 at 01:08 PM.
Cazorla don't receive the ball in between the lines. It's a problem against better sides.
3 man midfield would be our best option or at least Ramsey on the right.
This is ridiculously wrong. Even Ramsey haters would say this is wrong.
why would you stick ramsey on the right, surely that's just an admission that he doesn't fit into our style of play......he's too slow...get rid of him
Ramsey on the right was clearly a result of wenger shoe horning players into positions rather than just dropping them
Here is who we should be playing if everyone is fit
Cech, Gibbs, Koscielny, Mustafi, Bellerin, Xhaka, Elneny, Ozil, Sanchez, Ox and Perez
Last edited by Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie; 06-09-2016 at 01:18 PM.
You say that about Ramsey because he's playing crap but he's more of a box to box player than Cazorla. Or that's how he tries to play.
Again, it's about stamina and endurance to play box to box and Cazorla's game isn't based on stamina and running. Cazorla could lose a bit of pace and stamina and it won't harm his game because he's not an energy player that's covering all grounds of the pitch. That's not how he beats his opponents.
No it's not, coming from deep necessitates being able to tackle or intercept, think fast with passing or run.....Ramsey cannot do those things
No he's not the worst player in the world, but essentially he's better off playing in a more advanced position for a smaller side where is not having to be instrumental in changing a defence into an attack.
Cazorla can do that at the moment, Xhaka was bought because that's what he is best at, Elneny is not technically as good but is a tough tackler and good running with the ball.....Jack Wilshere when fit is also good at winning the ball too deep and if he can stop himself from over dribbling would also be an effective midfield engine. I don't see that in Ramsey.....he neither has the footballing brain to distribute the ball or the speed on the ball to allow him to play there.
Nonsense. That's like someone saying Gerrard wasn't a box to box player because moments where he was stuck on the right.
But that was exactly how he has been utilised.....he spent half a season busting a gut and it probably contributed to him being injured long term
And again i repeat sitting deep like Pirlo in the premier league just doesn't work.....we tried it with Arteta and all we ended up with was a defence being massively exposed because he didn't have the legs.
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