Mikel Arteta Thread

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

[Power n Glory]

ok go off on one and imply what you want to satisfy whatever agenda you want to set. and im the one who should stop being sensitive yet you're the one who keeps bringing up the past

Don't take my initial post as an attack. Chill.

Was just saying I disagree with Arteta being a controller or the type of player we could build a midfield around like with what we did with Cesc. For example, even if we played Cesc further back, what we'd lose in physical presence, we'd still make up for in passing and possession. As Cripps was saying earlier, Pirlo is played deep and that doesn't hamper is passing/playmaking abilities.

[Power n Glory]

You know!

Ain't nobody got time for dat!

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Don't take my initial post as an attack. Chill.

Was just saying I disagree with Arteta being a controller or the type of player we could build a midfield around like with what we did with Cesc. For example, even if we played Cesc further back, what we'd lose in physical presence, we'd still make up for in passing and possession. As Cripps was saying earlier, Pirlo is played deep and that doesn't hamper is passing/playmaking abilities.

once again, ive never disagreed with that you know full well my feelings on arteta so im not sure why are you trying to paint a picture that i want us to 'build a team around him' or that i rate him. those words are fabricated by you, can you link me to where i said that please or suggested it in any way whatsoever?

i said he's better next to a DM instead of being the DM. simple. why? because he's a controller instead of a destroyer. thats hardly anything to disagree with, he's hardly a destroyer is he.

as usual, you're going at 100mph into posts.

[Power n Glory]

once again, ive never disagreed with that you know full well my feelings on arteta so im not sure why are you trying to paint a picture that i want us to 'build a team around him' or that i rate him. those words are fabricated by you, can you link me to where i said that please or suggested it in any way whatsoever?

i said he's better next to a DM instead of being the DM. simple. why? because he's a controller instead of a destroyer. thats hardly anything to disagree with, he's hardly a destroyer is he.

as usual, you're going at 100mph into posts.

This is where I said I disagree. He's not a controller and not in the sense that if you stick a DM next to him his game will improve. I'm not sold on that because even when we had Song next to him, we weren't controlling possession very well.

spot on.

he's a controller, not a tackler. which is why when he's played in the DM role he's average. when he's playing next to a DM he's excellent i.e. the season before last. when he's the DM and expected to throw his body about, make tackles etc, he's useless. you might not need a destroyer but you need a level of aggression to ensure the midfield isn't overpowered. with arteta you dont get that feeling.

buy a DM, stick arteta next to him and watch him flourish again. but as the kingpin of our midfield? do me a favour.

That's your initial post and I disagree with it. He wasn't excellent last season imo and that was with Song even though Song took up the more creative role. I'm not even sure if we bought a DM that he'd even get into the team. As said with the Pirlo example, we wouldn't look so bad with possession if he was an excellent controller. None of what I'm saying is fabricated. I just don't think he'd be excellent full stop. That's you I'm quoting right? Or do you have a cousin?

Edit: Just to add to that, I get what you mean by controller. When we first bought him we thought we had a Cesc replacement and he'd play that role. But as shown, that is just not the case. I don't have a major problem with Arteta's defensive duties, even though he gets out powered sometimes. I have more of a problem with his vision and passing options. He's never cool on the ball when under pressure.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

erm yes you did. you fabricated the "he's the type of player we could build a midfield around like with what we did with Cesc."

you said "i disagree with arteta being a controller or the type of player we could build a midfield around". for you to disagree with something i would have had to say it first. but i didnt say the cesc bit.

then you suggested i said "he controlled the midfield", which ive already proved i didnt.

and also, you said "It's not just him but if we're saying we're playing him out of position to have more possession but we sacrifice a combative midfield for him... i say it's not working out" once again, i proved i didnt say that.

so thats 3 things you made up. but you didnt fabricate anything did you

and anyway, how would you describe arteta in one word then? i think its pretty obvious to every normal fan that he's a controller instead of a destroyer.

[Power n Glory]

erm yes you did. you fabricated the "he's the type of player we could build a midfield around like with what we did with Cesc."

you said "i disagree with arteta being a controller or the type of player we could build a midfield around". for you to disagree with something i would have had to say it first. but i didnt say the cesc bit.

then you suggested i said "he controlled the midfield", which ive already proved i didnt.

and also, you said "It's not just him but if we're saying we're playing him out of position to have more possession but we sacrifice a combative midfield for him... i say it's not working out" once again, i proved i didnt say that.

so thats 3 things you made up. but you didnt fabricate anything did you

and anyway, how would you describe arteta in one word then? i think its pretty obvious to every normal fan that he's a controller instead of a destroyer.

Define what you mean by controller?

You do know parts of what I've said in there about Cesc are my own thoughts or how I'd define a controller or his function in our squad, right?

He's not a DM that's obvious, but some of his passing options and the way he looks under pressure....I wouldn't say he's be excellent next to a DM either. It's why he hasn't been picked for Spain.

then you suggested i said "he controlled the midfield", which ive already proved i didnt.

Proved what? What the heck are you saying if he's a controller but can't control the midfield? What the hecks the function of a controller then? Be clear.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Define what you mean by controller?

You do know parts of what I've said in there about Cesc are my own thoughts or how I'd define a controller or his function in our squad, right?

He's not a DM that's obvious, but some of his passing options and the way he looks under pressure....I wouldn't say he's be excellent next to a DM either. It's why he hasn't been picked for Spain.

Proved what? What the heck are you saying if he's a controller but can't control the midfield? What the hecks the function of a controller then? Be clear.

erm dont avoid the question, describe him in one word?

being a controller and controlling the midfield are two different things. one player cannot control a whole midfield if he's playing with fools in an unbalanced team.

i never said he was excellent next to a DM either, i said he's better there. i still think he's pretty average as everyone knows.

in terms of keeping possession, accurate passing and holding the ball he's decent. in that sense he's a controller. he drops deep to the defence and collects the ball off mertesacker so controls the play. by doing that, he allows the liberation of the other midfield players by covering the gaps that appear with intelligent movement and passing. when he play next to a DM it allows him to be more expressive, hence why i think he needs to play with one instead of being one.

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[Power n Glory]

Thank you!