I take it for granted on so far as I take it for granted it isn't happening despite the team eventually finishing 4th being by far, the weakest team to have done so in over ten years.Originally Posted by Marc Overmars
I take it for granted on so far as I take it for granted it isn't happening despite the team eventually finishing 4th being by far, the weakest team to have done so in over ten years.
He's not playing the victim, never has. In your opionion and mine he has failed as a manger in the last 4 years but to his employers he has not hence why he is still in the job.
Rubbish, he clearly loves the fans, just stubborn in his ways. I suppose he feels if people want to abuse me why should i give a shite about them. Say alot of things about aw but not caring about the fans is one thing you can never say.The guy is like a broken record, we know he doesn't give a sh*t about the fans but the tw*t has the audacity to tell the f*cking papers as well.
It's unbelievable that's he's in such a comfortable position that the fans opinions realy don't matter to him at all.
As for the CL sh*t :who gives the toss about qualifying for the CL, not having a chance of winning it and then getting battered by the 1st decent team we meet, he really needs to get his head out of the clouds.
As for who cares about the CL alot of fans do, no one wants to see us in the Europa league if their honest, nothing to say we will win it, id rather be in the CL with the best even if we get knocked out by the top teams.
Rubbish he is not even of retirment age silly thing to say, he could still be a top manager in a number or european clubs. His problem is he needs a new challenge and a bit of freshness in his life for the good of him.
To say he has not got the intelligence is nonsense, the man is clever, problem is too clever for his own good sometimes you feel. His cleverness use to be funny, we'd all get behind it, now its frustating some deem it piss taking.
Will he go end of the season, who knows. IMO i think he may go if he finishes the season without 4th and a trophy tbh.
Last edited by Olivier's xmas twist; 04-02-2012 at 11:15 PM.
Charlie before your childish attemp to dissmiss peoples opinions, why dont you look at the reasons for these rather than being a WUM. Your not even that good at it and personally I wouldnt debate with you because of the immature nature of them.
A couple of points though
1.Explain why Wenger is not playing the victim
2. Can you give me an example as to when Wenger has shown the fans any love and/or contempt?
3. Explain the concept of retirement and any age deemed?
4. Explain, or give an example of Wengers intelligence, and one of downright stupidity(the later will be easier to find)
Cheers
Fans are generally a bunch of dickheads. Sport/competition is not played for fans. Fans allow the rewards of sport/competition to be higher (in some sports) but no athlete plays for the fans, they play for the competitive drive within them. Personally, fans should either support or fuck off. They are not part of the equation and never should be.
Did Wenger say anything wrong in this interview? Noticed the title said 'nonsense' but that's not a quote from him. Just said the team needs to rise above it.
So because i never agreed with you and said nothing bad about Wenger, i'm a wum, I have never ever come on here with the intention to wind up anybody, if i offended you then i aoplogise.
Sorry but that's totally wrong, without the fans there is no club, they pay for the tickets, buy the merchandise and the TV money comes from them....they are VERY important...to dismiss them is foolish and dangerous.
As for athletes playing for themselves and fans having no importance, explain why hoem games are easier if that's the case....if fans didn't matter away games would be just as easy to win. I agree players do play for themslves more these days, but fans have an impact, a bad reaction or positive open has an effect.......besides out players lack a competitive drive anyway on the whole.
Exactly
It's not totally wrong. The essence of sport is what goes on by those participating, not by those watching. Fans are peripheral. Without fans, there is football, without football there is just a bunch of people standing around for no apparent reason.
Do fans impact the play? Yes. Does having more fans paying more money mean more of a chance of making profits? Yes. But you don't organise your team and play in order to please fans. That's x-factor and big brother and all that shite. We don't vote to see who gets subbed every week (thank god). I don't want Wenger to alter the way he does business or picks his team to please fans. You don't run a club by pandering to public opinion. That doesn't mean I agree with everything he chooses to do or not do, but that's his job. He is central, I am peripheral. I can complain, wage a hate campaign online, boo at the games, but that should be water off a duck's back to what goes on at the centre. They should strive to win/suceed with whatever constraints they may have to deal with, whether financial, philosophical, imposed from without or self-imposed.
And players don't play for the fans. That's nonsense and has always been nonsense. Players play because they have it in them to compete and to strive for success. You think people who train their whole lives to be in the olympics in a completely irrelevant sport without any public interest do it for the fans? You compete because you can and because it's personally rewarding, if not enriching.
Football shouldn't be seen as simply a business, with the fans as consumers who don't feel any particular affiliation to the business other than to enjoy the product on display. Football clubs are embedded in communities, and many fans have supported their clubs for decades. Moreover, if you're disappointed with your football club, you don't just switch to another club, in the same way that you'd switch to an Apple iPhone if you're unhappy with your Blackberry. The club hierarchy should realise that show us some more respect.
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