Are we unlucky with player loyalty?

[Ollie the Optimist]

if he was now considered a key player then he had every right to demand a wage review --- it happens in any employment! Otherwise the club would have just told him they WONT offer him any.

Anyway, his 'shit' agent got him a bette deal at BARCA --- they think h deserves it

you dont sign a fucking five year deal with your employer and then a year later go to them i want more money as my agent fucked up last year and i wnat more. it wont happen. Arsenal, rightly, told him to fuck off.

[gooners]

you dont sign a fucking five year deal with your employer and then a year later go to them i want more money as my agent fucked up last year and i wnat more. it wont happen.

yes, every one with basic knowledge of employment law and employee rights would! if you hire a contractor to fix a sink for you and then midway into that youask him to fix the tap as well, he has every right to revisit the initially agreed terms--- and if he has any common sense to ask for more money

Arsenal, rightly, told him to fuck off

No they didn't! they kept postponing the talks. Hence his 'shit' agent went and shopped him around to barca --- and they decided he deserved better terms.

[GP]

you dont sign a fucking five year deal with your employer and then a year later go to them i want more money as my agent fucked up last year and i wnat more. it wont happen. Arsenal, rightly, told him to fuck off.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

you dont sign a fucking five year deal with your employer and then a year later go to them i want more money as my agent fucked up last year and i wnat more. it wont happen. Arsenal, rightly, told him to fuck off.

Pretty much just shows how spoilt footballers really are.

[Olivier's xmas twist]

yes, every one with basic knowledge of employment law and employee rights would! if you hire a contractor to fix a sink for you and then midway into that you ask him to fix the tap as well, he has every right to revisit the initially agreed terms--- and if he has any common sense to ask for more money
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Well if he is fixing the sink he is more or less going to be fixing the tap if he uses his sense anyways, you'd not employ him to do one and not the other.

If you think he has done a a superb job then you might think it is worth it given him a lil bit more then he asked for, if has only done what you asked him then why should you pay him over the top, because he might be better then other contractors in the business.

[Ollie the Optimist]

yes, every one with basic knowledge of employment law and employee rights would! if you hire a contractor to fix a sink for you and then midway into that youask him to fix the tap as well, he has every right to revisit the initially agreed terms--- and if he has any common sense to ask for more money




No they didn't! they kept postponing the talks. Hence his 'shit' agent went and shopped him around to barca --- and they decided he deserved better terms.

one, rightly so we postponed talks, who is more improtant? kos, theo and rvp who are approaching final years or final two years of contracts and need to be sorted or some twat who signed a new five year deal a year ago? of course they were going to ignore song, they have more important people to deal with.

song was paid a wage which he and his agent agreed with Arsenal. he was paid a wage for playing football, thats it. when he signed his deal, he was already playing most of our games so his role hasnt changed that much, not enough to warrent a new deal 1 year into a five year deal. however with agent, and the club, he should have bonuses added into his contract, so he is paid a wage, but if he does brilliantly, he gets some money as a well done. however, he didnt do brilliantly, because ultimately he failed to win anything with us, he played well but didnt get us near winnning.

[Niall_Quinn]

We don't hire players to fix sinks or taps, we hire them to give 100% every single week, with 99% never, ever being acceptable. 100% is the absolute, barest minimum, full stop. So what extra could they possibly ever do to justify a pay rise during a contract? It's impossible. They should count themselves lucky they don't get sacked for being shit most of the time - which most of them are.

[gooners]

he was paid a wage for playing football, thats it

yeah, you would know! I forgot you sat in at the contract table

[gooners]

Well if he is fixing the sink he is more or less going to be fixing the tap if he uses his sense anyways, you'd not employ him to do one and not the other.

no; not if you hired him to fix your blocked sink --- just because he is a plumber doesn't mean he has to fix your tap that is faulty as well.

And, by the way, he did what any sensible employee would do --- shopped his cv to one the best firms around and got the wages and respect he feel he deserves

He is not the one moaning about loyalty.

[gooners]

We don't hire players to fix sinks or taps, we hire them to give 100% every single week, with 99% never, ever being acceptable. 100% is the absolute, barest minimum, full stop. So what extra could they possibly ever do to justify a pay rise during a contract? It's impossible. They should count themselves lucky they don't get sacked for being shit most of the time - which most of them are.

i think we are talking about different things here.