It's a total mess. We need a new manager. He's delusional and been allowed to indulge in this stupid, flawed plan for far too long. He keeps asking for more time to build a new team as if every coach needs 3 to 4 years to build a championship winning team. Total rubbish.
Even if he does sign, you have to think just like those before him, the writing would be on the wall. If he plays well this year then he could easily get his agent to sound out another club for next summer.
Interesting but unsurprising that people have used this as another excuse for Wenger bashing.
Modern players are mostly spoilt, unlikeable twats.
If he goes, he goes.
There are very few players at Arsenal who I'd care about leaving.
Wishere is one, there aren't many others.
My tuppence worth.
First - for all the predictable comments that Nasri's stance is justified given AW's failings, I don't believe that Nasri is motivated by improving himself and winning silverware. I think its down to money, pure and simple, and I think that there was probably an agenda there between him and his agent even when he joined the club.
To me, our lack of trophies allows players to find a ready excuse for jumping ship that allows them to be seen as ambitious, rather than the mercenaries that they are.
Because a truly ambitious player would not stop trying, in the way that Nasri did this season. And this is why I have grave reservations about making Nasri one of our higest paid players. There is a real whiff of a Greedybayor about him - and we could be looking at a similar result. A player who thinks he has made it and that it is beneath him to put the hard graft in afterward. After all, we have via Gallas, already had a glimpse of a player who has a very high opinion of himself.
We have already established a dubious reputation for paying (generally more junior) players more than they are worth. For all Cesc's mediocrity this season - Nasri has not given anything approaching the service that Cesc has given the club over time, and I do not think AW should take another of his famous 'risks' in breaking the bank for a player who is as likely to plateaeu at the overall contribution he has given this season, as to get even better.
As others have said, the main problem we have is that so many players appear to want out - and (as his agent well knows) the loss of both Nasri and Cesc will be a real blow. But half of me says that this is the end (or the beginning of the end) of an era anyway, and that to continue to be dictated to by players and to take risks by betting large wages against possible future performance is as much something that needs to be changed at our club than some of the manager's more obvious failings on the pitch.
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Agreed.Originally Posted by Letters (TPFKA WWTL@WHL)
Interesting but unsurprising that people have used this as another excuse for Wenger bashing.
Modern players are mostly spoilt, unlikeable twats.
If he goes, he goes.
There are very few players at Arsenal who I'd care about leaving.
Wishere is one, there aren't many others.
Though, should we have a mass departure, and of the quality of Cesc and Nasri, then Wenger does have some serious work to do to replace them. And in that respect, I think some can be forgiven for not trusting the guy, given the last few years.
It's better to burn out, than to fade away.
Well it is his fault to be fair.
He's the one who didn't get the contract signed up last summer (should have done if only to increase his resale value), he's the one who didn't address our problems which lead to the collapse at the end of the season, he's the one who for 6 years has been happy enough to achieve no success.
Players aren't going to want to stay in those circumstances given the choice. The whole club is about Wenger and his ways, his policies, his methods, his ideals and he never shows any sign of changing.
A lot of fans have had enough, it's not so hard to believe that many of the players don't believe in him either and prefer to look elsewhere for success.
What loyalty should Nasri have to us exactly, it's not like there's a real bond formed. I agree players are greedy these days, but at the same time the way we do things will never give us the best chance of holding onto them.
Its not loyalty we are talking about. Its the fact that a player that signs for a club should be prepared, professionally to do their utmost for it. It is the mananger who - like it or not - decides what system to play. A player follows those instructions.
Maybe it is possible to earn the right to expect a club to match your ambitions - but Nasri's 3 consistent good months in 3 years falls well short of this threshold, if it does indeed exist.
As I've said, Nasri's comments telegraph the fact that its all about the money - and that he is perpared to try to hold the club to ransom for it. THIS is what rankles...together with the fact that people are prepared to ignore the fact that this attitude stinks, and to justify it by blaming the manager.
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The fact remains we should have sorted out his contract last summer, that way we wouldn't be in this situation and had we chosen to sell him we'd get full money for him.
As for doing your utmost, well I have to say these players clearly need someone to motivate and inspire them (most players do), AW doesn't consequently many doing give 100% and chase every ball. I think Nasri has done quite well this season until he got injured.
It may be about money, but at a club with no success it most often is, like I said when you achieve nothing in 6 years, don't spend on improving the team and collapse every season it doesn't give you much bargaining power.
I don't see why we should be expecting loyalty from a player who has been here for a relatively short period, is always played out of position and has never won anything with us. Loyalty is something that occurs over time with most players, have a close knit group who deliver success certainly helps, failing as we do every year doesn't.
Last edited by Özim; 06-06-2011 at 10:38 AM.
I'm one of them. But I'm not just going to make up reasons to have a dig at Wenger based on the usual papertalk which goes on at this time of the year. None of us know what's going on behind the scenes. There are plenty of good reasons to criticize Wenger right now, we don't need to make ones up.
And Nasri is the one who played like a stale turd for the last part of the season when he needed to stand up and be counted.
Wenger might have plenty of failings, sure, but Nasri knew what was expected of him as a 'top player' - he failed.
Why the fuck should wenger give in to his demands for more money when he has done nothing, absolutely, sod fucking-all to deserve it?
Wenger is to blame for a lot of things at the club, but Nasri stalling over a new contract isnt one of them.
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