Wenger Referendum: Yes Or No

[Letters]

Although Moyes is similarly highly regarded for consistently getting in the top 6 on a low budget....

I doubt any would say he is clueless. However there is a difference between good and world class. I still fear he'll be remembered for an ending like Brian Clough, fading away a decade after a glory period.

I guess my point is Moyes wasn't that stupid an idea. He did do well at Everton, and Utd thought he was worthy to succeed Ferguson. And yet... We do need to move on but we need to be careful about it because for all our frustrations with Wenger he's not the incompetent some on here make out and plenty of managers would do worse.
Clough took Forest down in the end, all Wenger's done is taken us from 1st to 4th. We've stagnated for too long but we need to be careful we don't pick someone who will take us into mid-table like Moyes did at Utd.

[Letters]

I'll join in the WUMing

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I guess my point is Moyes wasn't that stupid an idea. He did do well at Everton, and Utd thought he was worthy to succeed Ferguson. And yet... We do need to move on but we need to be careful about it because for all our frustrations with Wenger he's not the incompetent some on here make out and plenty of managers would do worse.
Clough took Forest down in the end, all Wenger's done is taken us from 1st to 4th. We've stagnated for too long but we need to be careful we don't pick someone who will take us into mid-table like Moyes did at Utd.

I think this is probably one of those rare moments where i agree with you

[LDG]

I sided on "no" at the end of last season, though like others also thought maybe he deserved a chance to spend some dosh after winning the FA Cup.

Though what I thought about tactical and preparative measures at the end of last season prevail in this.

It's unforgivable to keep leaving is short, both in personel and in conditioning prior to playing each game. No thought of the opposition is ever apparent. That's not confidence, that's neglagence.

I'm not about to crucify the bloke (he seems to be tarnishing his own legacy anyway), call him an idiot etc.as I think he deserves repect, and a place amongst other Arsenal heros. He is quite possibly the most influential manager in our history (for good things). And, dare I say it, in the English game.

It should be the owners and board who let him go quietly, and with respect, as he's hanging himself little bit at the moment.

Will always love the geezer though.

Even though it's a "no". Hope he proves me wrong.

[Power n Glory]

Maybe you should respond to what i've said rather than what you think i've said, i don't think i've said we are punching above our weight finishing above the likes of everton and spurs what i am saying is....getting a new manager in can have a destabilising effect and could leave us in danger of finishing below said teams (like Man United).
I also never said Klopp, Low and Garcia were unavaliable to us (I said i thought Klopp might have been a bit of a reach in the summer because Man City and Barcelona were also being linked with him in another post). I simply made the point if we could guarantee bringing one of those three in to replace Wenger i'd go for it, if not than i'd feel more inclined to play it safe.

Also Man United have one of the biggest reputations in the world, and yet were saddled with Moyes when Ferguson left...yes partly because Ferguson recommended him (out of hubris no doubt) but also because it's sometimes incredibly difficult to get top quality managers away from their contracts at other clubs.

.....that was a question. What's wrong with you? A very basic question I asked you to answer since you brought in the part about what the media predicting our fall from the top 4. We never usually pay attention to what they say so why is it relevant when talking about Wenger's reign as manager? An answer would be nice.

[Marc Overmars]

As much as I agree with a lot of your post, if you look at the amount of bullshit fans spout on here and elsewhere, he probably shouldn't concern himself too much with what we think.

That's true but there are plenty of sane, rational people who raise legitimate issues. Only to be met with retorts like "in England everyone thinks the solution is to buy" and other comments that completely miss the point.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Well at least it's confirmed those that wanted Wenger out were right all along.

For years we were ridiculed and laughed at on here for speaking sense. When even Ollie has finally admitted that Wenger is holding us back, it puts an end to the debate.

If only Cripps were here to share the moment with us.

What a huge moral victory.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

That's true but there are plenty of sane, rational people who raise legitimate issues. Only to be met with retorts like "in England everyone thinks the solution is to buy" and other comments that completely miss the point.

Well precisely if his missus told him "Arsene the fridge and cupboards are empty there is literally no food in the house" would he reply similarly....no he'd be on the phone to Waitrose getting them to deliver.

I think the problem is it's not that he is unaware of the problems in the squad, he just has his own process when he deliberates in his own head on the pro's and con's of a transfer, and he feels he'd rather sign no-one than sign the wrong player (which ironically he frequently does). I don't think he's blind to the problems of the squad and to his own failings, it's more that he rigidly sticks to his system of "principles" and "beliefffs" and he'd rather be damned for that, than be seen as a pragmatic coach with no values.
Football has moved on in the last ten years and it's definitely a shame that it has because it hasn't moved on for the better, and if Wenger cannot adapt to his environment than Evolution makes him extinct.

[fakeyank]

Just watching Everton in the Europa league and you cannot tell me with a straight face that Martinez is not one of the strongest candidates to take Wengers job. That guy has transformed Evertons style of play... imagine what he could with Sanchez, Ozil Cazorla, Ramsey, Welbeck, Walcott. I dont know whether we will challenge for the title for sure, what I'm sure about is the fact that we will play some fast breathtaking football and not the tippy tappy no urgency BS!

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Just watching Everton in the Europa league and you cannot tell me with a straight face that Martinez is not one of the strongest candidates to take Wengers job. That guy has transformed Evertons style of play... imagine what he could with Sanchez, Ozil Cazorla, Ramsey, Welbeck, Walcott. I dont know whether we will challenge for the title for sure, what I'm sure about is the fact that we will play some fast breathtaking football and not the tippy tappy no urgency BS!

Frankly No, i want someone who has actually won at least a domestic title somewhere.....i agree he's doing a good job with Everton but if people are talking about the big name pull that we have, yes i'd want someone bigger than Martinez who has not managed a club in the Champions League (and completley choked when they managed to nose in front of us for qualification towards the end of last season) let alone come anywhere near winning a league title.