Match Reaction Palace 1-2 Arsenal

[Dein-machine]

Tbh - it was the game most expected. Therein lies the problem - we are expecting to pub a win against Palace & most on here seem quite happy about it. The mediocre standards that Wenger has been allowed to get away with for the past decade using all the excuses known to man has resulted in Gooners being happy with a pub win V Palace. Palace FFS - we could buy the whole club, players & training ground and all ( possibly even the Sainsburys on the end ) with the liquid cash we currently have available.
There is nothing this year to suggest Wenger has changed for the better. He can no longer blame lack of funds. He didn't continue the momentum of a good final 3 months & FA cup win with a couple of key signings that would have seriously improved the squad & he has done this so many times in the past & then regretted it.
Why do we buy players like Ozil, Santi & Sanchez. Is it to play the style of football Wenger wants, to go & do what we did to West Brom & Villa at the end of last season. Or do we want to get a goal lead & then defend.
Wenger has lost his philosophy. He wanted to play like Barca & to a degree with lesser players made a decent fist of it but when did Barca ever take the lead & then bring off Messi & Iniesta for 2 defenders to park the bus.
There is no killer instinct in this team, we have it to a degree when we play with pace upfront but as soon as Giroud plays, we know what to expect. He will score the occasional good goal as per Sunday but miss 3 easier ones & then go missing for the next 3 games.
A gooner on talksport on Sunday called Wenger a "Dream Seller" & he's spot on. Anyone in any doubt can only look at what you would have expected to do to Palace when we were at Highbury - nowadays most of us thought a point would be decent from Sundays game.
" We are moving to the Emirates to make us the dominant force in European football" - yeh, my arse.

[Dein-machine]

His energy levels and positivity can't be questioned, it's other areas he really needs to work on.

Absolutely - he can run up & down all day long but people on here should watch the full match on Sunday. Watch how many times he breaks a move down with a poor touch, control or pass. He was fantastic 2 years ago but I think that was more about his ability to score goals Lampardesque from midfield - his passing has always been a bit dodgy.
If we want someone to run up & down all day but then fuck up in the final 3rd - sign Mo Farah.

[Letters]

most on here seem quite happy about it.

Better than being a miserable sod no matter what we do

[Dein-machine]

Better than being a miserable sod no matter what we do

Look at my posts after the West Brom & Villa games. Games where we went for it because we are better than the opposition. I'm not always miserable - I just don't get why Wenger feels we have to be negative against weaker opposition. We went defensive against Reading in the cup FFS.

[Marc Overmars]

Ramsey's favourite player;

‘Steven Gerrard was always one of my favourite players to watch and to base my game on. I think his all-round game was unlike anybody else’s. He could tackle, he can win games on his own, he could score. He could do everything that a modern – day midfielder needs to do. So, yeah, he definitely set the bar for that.

Explains a lot tbh.

[fakeyank]

Tbh - it was the game most expected. Therein lies the problem - we are expecting to pub a win against Palace & most on here seem quite happy about it. The mediocre standards that Wenger has been allowed to get away with for the past decade using all the excuses known to man has resulted in Gooners being happy with a pub win V Palace. Palace FFS - we could buy the whole club, players & training ground and all ( possibly even the Sainsburys on the end ) with the liquid cash we currently have available.
There is nothing this year to suggest Wenger has changed for the better. He can no longer blame lack of funds. He didn't continue the momentum of a good final 3 months & FA cup win with a couple of key signings that would have seriously improved the squad & he has done this so many times in the past & then regretted it.
Why do we buy players like Ozil, Santi & Sanchez. Is it to play the style of football Wenger wants, to go & do what we did to West Brom & Villa at the end of last season. Or do we want to get a goal lead & then defend.
Wenger has lost his philosophy. He wanted to play like Barca & to a degree with lesser players made a decent fist of it but when did Barca ever take the lead & then bring off Messi & Iniesta for 2 defenders to park the bus.
There is no killer instinct in this team, we have it to a degree when we play with pace upfront but as soon as Giroud plays, we know what to expect. He will score the occasional good goal as per Sunday but miss 3 easier ones & then go missing for the next 3 games.
A gooner on talksport on Sunday called Wenger a "Dream Seller" & he's spot on. Anyone in any doubt can only look at what you would have expected to do to Palace when we were at Highbury - nowadays most of us thought a point would be decent from Sundays game.
" We are moving to the Emirates to make us the dominant force in European football" - yeh, my arse.

[Kano]

Tbh - it was the game most expected. Therein lies the problem - we are expecting to pub a win against Palace & most on here seem quite happy about it. The mediocre standards that Wenger has been allowed to get away with for the past decade using all the excuses known to man has resulted in Gooners being happy with a pub win V Palace. Palace FFS - we could buy the whole club, players & training ground and all ( possibly even the Sainsburys on the end ) with the liquid cash we currently have available.
There is nothing this year to suggest Wenger has changed for the better. He can no longer blame lack of funds. He didn't continue the momentum of a good final 3 months & FA cup win with a couple of key signings that would have seriously improved the squad & he has done this so many times in the past & then regretted it.
Why do we buy players like Ozil, Santi & Sanchez. Is it to play the style of football Wenger wants, to go & do what we did to West Brom & Villa at the end of last season. Or do we want to get a goal lead & then defend.
Wenger has lost his philosophy. He wanted to play like Barca & to a degree with lesser players made a decent fist of it but when did Barca ever take the lead & then bring off Messi & Iniesta for 2 defenders to park the bus.
There is no killer instinct in this team, we have it to a degree when we play with pace upfront but as soon as Giroud plays, we know what to expect. He will score the occasional good goal as per Sunday but miss 3 easier ones & then go missing for the next 3 games.
A gooner on talksport on Sunday called Wenger a "Dream Seller" & he's spot on. Anyone in any doubt can only look at what you would have expected to do to Palace when we were at Highbury - nowadays most of us thought a point would be decent from Sundays game.
" We are moving to the Emirates to make us the dominant force in European football" - yeh, my arse.

You are making up most of our expectations to suit your argument. There are no shortage of fans disgruntled with Wenger, myself included, but nearly all fans demanded a win, by any means necessary. I'm not sure I read many, if any, fans saying they would be happy with a point away at Palace. I'd also be surprised that fans were happy with how we played too, as we flattered to deceive upfront and made hard work of what should've been an easier three points. So of course fans are happy, because we won a football game. It doesn't change a lot of our gripes or dissatisfaction with how we played, issues with previous seasons or concerns about the season ahead. Yesterday we dominated most of the game but were far too wasteful in front of goal and unbalanced down the right hand side which mean we wasted too much possession again. But believe it or not, you are still allowed to enjoy taking three points home.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

Look at my posts after the West Brom & Villa games. Games where we went for it because we are better than the opposition. I'm not always miserable - I just don't get why Wenger feels we have to be negative against weaker opposition. We went defensive against Reading in the cup FFS.

I don't know I think Crystal Palace are a decent side, certainly not relegation fodder anymore, i can actually sometimes understand us becoming defensive when we are so unconvincing when not in possession. Unquestionably Coquelin should have been sent off many times over, because there just isn't the hunger to win the ball back when in attack mode.

[Dein-machine]

You are making up most of our expectations to suit your argument. There are no shortage of fans disgruntled with Wenger, myself included, but nearly all fans demanded a win, by any means necessary. I'm not sure I read many, if any, fans saying they would be happy with a point away at Palace. I'd also be surprised that fans were happy with how we played too, as we flattered to deceive upfront and made hard work of what should've been an easier three points. So of course fans are happy, because we won a football game. It doesn't change a lot of our gripes or dissatisfaction with how we played, issues with previous seasons or concerns about the season ahead. Yesterday we dominated most of the game but were far too wasteful in front of goal and unbalanced down the right hand side which mean we wasted too much possession again. But believe it or not, you are still allowed to enjoy taking three points home.

We all enjoy taking 3 points, even in the Invincible's era we pubbed a few games but we knew that those games were part & parcel of a premier league season & that for the most we would be tearing teams a new one. How many times did we pub a result last year. Compare that to the games against weaker opposition where we went out & murdered them. We are now becoming a team incapable of killing off teams which if not addressed will cost points, resulting in us not competing for the title, again. Wenger even mentioned not being clinical enough - YES Arsene we know, you haven't bought a clinical striker for 10 years - what do you expect.
To win the league we need to see a changed Arsenal. One that goes out to murder the weaker opposition & be more tactically aware against better opposition. Sunday's game was no different to our win at Selhurst Park last year - hanging on for a point like a bottom 3 team would expect to. There is no difference & can be no difference under Wenger. You may be happy with beating Palace, as I'm sure you were last year, culminating in us NOT competing again but that isn't what I'm expecting from this team - not with the resources we have & the promises that were made.

[Dein-machine]

I don't know I think Crystal Palace are a decent side, certainly not relegation fodder anymore, i can actually sometimes understand us becoming defensive when we are so unconvincing when not in possession. Unquestionably Coquelin should have been sent off many times over, because there just isn't the hunger to win the ball back when in attack mode.

Also Herbie, Palace have invested in the summer. They saw weaknesses that needed addressing & they did it. They don't have a manager who is trying to prove everyone else is wrong when all he does is make himself look constantly stupid.
If we allow sides below us to invest in better players whilst not doing the same - they will catch up pretty quickly. The gap between us & Palace is the smallest its ever been under the Wenger reign as is the gap between us & West Ham, Stoke etc.