What was the straw that broke the camels back for you?

[Power n Glory]

The problem is he isn't taking a back seat where it matters, there is even less pressure on Wenger than there otherwise would be because Kroenke regards him as inviolable.

I do think this is partly because when results are bad, Wenger is a useful lightning rod.

Wenger seems unwilling to compromise because he believes his way is best, which is both stubborn and arrogant however it doesn't negate the idea that he values winning especially as this is a man who does not seem to react well to losing. He is at his most haughty and entrenched when he has lost and you can tell it still bothers him.

Kroenke took over in 2011. What about the previous seasons? It's not just Kroenke, it's an attitude that was there before he arrived. When Dein left they gave Wenger the keys to the mansion. There was no pressure on Wenger way before Kroenke turned up. In fact, if you check our transfer spending since Kroenke, we've spent a lot more and there has been more pressure on Wenger to use the funds available and not pocket the transfer fees we've received.

http://www.transferleague.co.uk/arse...enal-transfers

In 2008 we were close to going the whole season with just Sylvestre and Amaury Bischoff as our only summer signings. If not for Gazidis convincing Wenger to push the boat out for Arshavin and Arshavin making a bold move and jumping in a plane to London, we'd have gone the whole season with that pair as our only signings. Ridiculous stuff. This comes after selling Hleb, Flamini and Gilberto. It put a massive dent in our bid to challenge for the title again and sucked the confidence right out of that team. Already deflated by the way we fell out of the title race, we took it further with this kick in the nuts.

Following season, not satisfied with that blow, we go one further and sell Adebayor along with Kolo Toure to Man City and our only major summer signings was Vermaelen! A disgrace. Season after we only bring in Kos, Chamakh and Squillaci.

This all without Stan as owner. I think I've seen more examples of Wenger being forced to buy since we've had a new owner. Less examples of us selling and doing f all about it...not by much. Way more examples of us panic buying and pissing money up the wall. Poor planning and poor decisions.

I'm sure Wenger winning in some sense but but the fact that he's so stubborn and rigid suggests his philosophy and doing things his way trumps winning. It's about priorities.

[Power n Glory]

Also, it's worth noting we've started taking the FA Cup more seriously and we're paying attention more to pre season tours.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't think that correlates with Kroenke at all, i think that's more about Gazidis.....Kroenke is the man who said if you are selling out the stadium for matches you are not charging high enough prices.

However i do agree that it is all about Wenger being given total carte blanche over every football aspect of the club, but the only thing i'd agree that Kroenke has had influence over is the pre-season tours but again that's all about money.

The sale of players like Adebayor and Toure were money orientated as well, and i think it was probably clear that the 40million we earnt in transfers for those two was not going to be released for transfer spending.

To claim we have shown more ambition in the transfer market can be correlated with Kroenke becoming the majority shareholder is nonsense, because it ignores the summers of 2011 and 2012.....we have clearly been able to spend more since the stadium rights got re-negotiated and we got the kit sponsorship with Puma.

Between July 2014 and January 2015, Wenger spent over 80million on transfers net.

[Power n Glory]

I don't think that correlates with Kroenke at all, i think that's more about Gazidis.....Kroenke is the man who said if you are selling out the stadium for matches you are not charging high enough prices.

However i do agree that it is all about Wenger being given total carte blanche over every football aspect of the club, but the only thing i'd agree that Kroenke has had influence over is the pre-season tours but again that's all about money.

The sale of players like Adebayor and Toure were money orientated as well, and i think it was probably clear that the 40million we earnt in transfers for those two was not going to be released for transfer spending.

To claim we have shown more ambition in the transfer market can be correlated with Kroenke becoming the majority shareholder is nonsense, because it ignores the summers of 2011 and 2012.....we have clearly been able to spend more since the stadium rights got re-negotiated and we got the kit sponsorship with Puma.

Between July 2014 and January 2015, Wenger spent over 80million on transfers net.

Summer 2011 and 2012 is included. Stan took over in 2011 and despite selling key players, we spent over £50m and replaced the players we sold with experience. Poor replacements and we spread the cost instead concentrating on one or two marquee players, but we spent at least. A mismanagement of funds on the managers part but we can't really accuse the board of withholding all the money from Wenger like we did after we sold Henry, Hleb, Ade and Toure over the seasons. If we didn't wait until deadline day for 2011 we may have ended up with better players.

I think Gazidis has a lot to do with changes as well. He's played his part. But how can you really discount what part Stan did or did not do? You may not believe he's been influential, we really don't know, but the dates certainly correlate. It tracks back to 2011. Also, Gazidis has been with us since 2008 so to credit him with the changes ignores 09/10 and 10/11 seasons where were very inactive in the windows. We really don't know what's going on behind the scenes but even if you think Gazidis was more of influence, it at least shows there has been some pressure at least. I honestly think we'd have gone into last season with Sanogo instead of Welbeck if Wenger wasn't pressured. I also believe the same was the case in 2011 when we panic bought Merts, Arteta and co. On both occasions we have weird accounts of Wenger's whereabouts on deadline day if you remember.

But overall, we have seen a change in the sort of signings and our attitude in the cups. I'm not crediting Stan with all of that but I'm saying we really don't know what sort of pressure is being placed on the manager. I'm just pointing out the changes I see we've made as a club. Project youth has been kicked to the curb and we have a brand new coaching staff working with the kids. A new fitness coach. A new assistant coach in Steve Bould, the wage structure has been ripped apart....I think Wenger is the main reason we're being held back.

[Niall_Quinn]

I think this summer answered the question. The manager is being placed under no pressure. Imagine heading into this season without any of the reinforcements even the tea lady knew we needed? Wenger should have been sacked for that alone. And of course the chickens came home, roosted and then shat squarely on his head. He's still here, they are still saying they want him here and the fat Russian has made it clear even if Kroenke went Wenger would still be here.

No pressure at all on Wenger. That's why he's laughing at the fans in the media this week.