Wenger after 2017

[Letters]

Our revenues improved year on year the moment we opened the stadium. If your net income increases, how have you been harmed?. Do check yourself cos its true.

If a new bigger stadium is such a bad thing, why are other clubs rushing to do the same now.#thinkabout it.

Our revenues increased but do did our outgoings, ever spiralling wage demands and the stadium repayments.
Of course long term the stadium move was the right thing to do but there was short term belt tightening and it came right at the time the billionaires were having the biggest impact in the game.
Agree with HCZ, Wenger isn't immune from criticism, we should have won trophies before 2 years ago and probably a title or two. But the stadium move did initially have some impact on our ability to compete. With the new financial deals we should be more able to compete and so Wenger should be judged by different standards. The FA Cups were nice, got that monkey off our back, but this year he had a real chance to push us on and win a title and he's failed to do so. So yeah, he should go now but that doesn't mean everything in the last 10 years has been a failure. He's kept us up there, we've won a couple of trophies, now we need to find someone to push us on.

[Niall_Quinn]

I agree he's not under that kind of pressure. Our owners are money men, I don't think they're that bothered if we win titles. I do think Wenger puts himself under pressure to do that though.
But even as money men, finishing top 4 is a generator of a lot of it so I think he's under pressure to deliver that and he always has.
I don't think he's able to push us on any further so I think he should go, but there's still so much guff posted about him on here about how he doesn't care or isn't under any pressure at all or

Relatively speaking he's under zero pressure. Practically, any manager has a lot of pressure to bear. It's a tough job. But by comparison to a Maureen or Pellegrini or van Gaal and especially managers at clubs lower down the table, Wenger has the easiest ride imaginable. No requirement whatsoever to meet the sporting expectations of a big club like Arsenal. And his bosses (some of them selected by Wenger himself) say he's the greatest and should stay forever. Name one other manager in such a comfortable position. You can say that's because he's been here 20 years, but what a terrible reason. That's just a recipe for complacency. And stagnation.

And what do we have? Complacency, stagnation and failure.

How the hell has this guy managed to last so long? It's a joke.

[Letters]

10 seasons of having 10 times the resources they have. But that's not just down to money. You could spend £250mill buying Sanogo, wouldn't win you a title. Or you can spend wisely, as Leicester have obviously done. The gypos have bought as many shitheaps as they have decent players. Utd have blown a fortune on crap. It's not just the money, it's how you use what you have to build the best you can build. This is where Wenger has been caught short and exposed. Doesn't matter how much or how little he has. It's what he lacks as a manager that holds us back. And this is the season that closes the book on him. This is where all his major excuses have been blown apart.

He's had plenty of money to get 11 players in the pitch who could have competed with the chavs or they gypos, who can only put 11 players on the field at any given time themselves. Make it a squad of 22 and he's still had the money to compete. He just won't spend it. Going on about 3rd highest net spends is bullshit. When you have left the team short season after season then you better be spending high to correct those problems. We should have been top net spend given the gaps that have developed. Last summer saw more of his excuses being crushed. Plenty of money - no striker. Plenty of money - Cazorla left as a crucial and irreplaceable component. No cover for Coquelin. 3rd higest net spend is still an underspend. The guy even had the nerve to tell us there was nothing better out there than what we had. He didn't say we had no money, he said the players we had were good enough. Another terrible misjudgement on his part.

The collapse against the gypos at the tail end of last season should have been a massive alert. It revealed the underlying commitment and ambition of this manager and this team. The collapse to tiny Leicester City and our regression compared to the spuds is Wenger building on the failures of the past. Failing to learn the obvious lessons. Persisting with methods and ideas that haven't worked, don't work and will never work.

How anyone can still be making excuses for this guy is amazing. This is supposed to be the top tier of professional sport. There's no time or place for maybe or almost men. He's so beyond his sell-by date he's starting to smell so bad even your Henry Winter types notice. But as we see, we still get the odd journo holding his nose and trotting out the same old crap. Wenger underachieved for every conceivable reason except a reason that is the fault of Wenger himself. Poor old Arsene. So unlucky.

No, it's not just the money. But it has clearly had a massive impact on where the trophies have ended up.
When was the last time City or Chelsea won a title before they were bankrolled?
Three clubs have won titles since we last did, is it coincidence that they're the 3 clubs with the biggest chequebooks?
Yes, you can only field 11 players, but if you have enough money you can have £40m players sitting on the bench, you can buy up enough players to make yourself immune from injuries, you can outbid other clubs for players and stick them on the bench, or loan them out to a club who isn't a rival.

I reckon Wenger did pretty well to keep us in the top 4 in the era where the billionaires were having the biggest impact, but he could and should have done more. We should have won at least 1 title and probably a few other cups too. But that doesn't mean that the money wasn't a big factor, those two things are not contradictory. The new signings have had some impact, the two FA Cups were a good start. This season was a chance to push on - his final chance, for me - and he's failed. Finishing below Spurs and particularly Leicester is unacceptable. So yes, he should move on now. But that doesn't mean that everything he's done in the last 10 years has been wrong. Those two thoughts are not contradictory, "infallible genius" and "bumbling idiot" are not the only two possibilities.

[fakeyank]

He is an infallible idiot then

[Letters]

How the hell has this guy managed to last so long? It's a joke.

Because he's met his bosses targets.

And yes, he's not under the level of pressure that a Chelsea manager would be but that club is a joke, I wouldn't want any Arsenal manager to be under that level of pressure.

He was a safe pair of hands during the stadium move, he deserved a chance to try and push us on when the new money became available - you clearly thought so too, you were happy he signed a new contract after the first FA Cup. Retaining the trophy arguably bought him another season to push for bigger prizes. He's failed to so yes, he needs to go, but that doesn't mean it's been 10 years of abject failure. And if you think the last 2 years have been ones of failure then I'd suggest that level of expectation comes pretty much entirely from Wenger's first half of his time with us.

[Letters]

He is an infallible idiot then

He never fails to be an idiot?

[Marc Overmars]

He's never been more of a bumbling idiot than he is now tbf.

[fakeyank]

He never fails to be an idiot?

Neva Eva

[Letters]

He's never been more of a bumbling idiot than he is now tbf.

That's not true, he's been doing the work of two men recently.




...Laurel and Hardy.



Ronnie Corbett

[Kano]

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