Match Reaction vs Lincoln City

[Power n Glory]

I'm not questoning those people, but most basically don't say a word, turn up week in week out on time, there's very little there to make the club and manager stand up and take notice, 200 odd fans they'll probably not be too bothered about.

Empty stadiums would do the trick and let's be honest it wouldn't be that much of a chore for them, the football is awful!

My point is really that the fans (majority) don't have enough of an appetite for change, it's a bit like wanting to win the lottery but not buying a ticket, not gonna happen.

I've got time for Marcotti and he's right about needing more fans to make their voices heard. There are ways to do it. Protests, coming in 10 minutes late, banners, not attending games, switching off from the games.... there has to be more because if we go silent it will only strengthen Wenger's resolve. There are ways to protest even if you're not there at the Emirates holding a banner or don't want to waste money if you've already bought tickets.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I've got time for Marcotti and he's right about needing more fans to make their voices heard. There are ways to do it. Protests, coming in 10 minutes late, banners, not attending games, switching off from the games.... there has to be more because if we go silent it will only strengthen Wenger's resolve. There are ways to protest even if you're not there at the Emirates holding a banner or don't want to waste money if you've already bought tickets.

It's a comfortable position for us to take though isn't it. I don't know how many people on GW are season ticket holders but I imagine it's at a premium.
I've said I find it bizarre how fans seem to turn up late and not stay till the end, and this is regardless of the circumstance of the match, but then I'm not paying to go every week i may think it's odd/self defeating but it's up to them.

I've always said that even if I did go to games more regularly that I wouldn't protest because I find it undignified and I admit there is a hypocrisy in being happy to let other people do it on my behalf.

So ultimately I don't feel I can question people for that which I'm unwilling to do myself.

[Özim]

And which of those two protests which happened outside the ground did you attend?

I don't go to matches in the 1st place. The protests tend to be people who do go to matches.

[Özim]

I've said I find it bizarre how fans seem to turn up late and not stay till the end, and this is regardless of the circumstance of the match, but then I'm not paying to go every week i may think it's odd/self defeating but it's up to them.

I've always said that even if I did go to games more regularly that I wouldn't protest because I find it undignified and I admit there is a hypocrisy in being happy to let other people do it on my behalf.

So ultimately I don't feel I can question people for that which I'm unwilling to do myself.

I don't understand this point of view to be honest because on that basis nothing will ever change, there's a reason the owners and manager can take the mick and that's because the fans allow it, you can't on the one hand turn up on time every match, never voice your disapproval and on the other want the manager out, it doesn't work it's a bit of a contradiction.

For change to happen you need something to happen, as has been mentioned people not turning up for 10 minutes at the start of the match, people not coming to matches, people making their feelings clear throughout the match as a united group.

If anything it's self defeating turning up all the time and on time saying nothing, because if you want change you can pretty much guarantee it won't happen if people do that. At the end of the day the club is all about profit and if the fans put up with it and don't kick up a fuss, why should they bother changing, they're happy and there's nothing putting any pressure for them to do things differently.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't go to matches in the 1st place. The protests tend to be people who do go to matches.

So?.....the protests are outside the ground, if you feel so strongly why don't you just go to the protests

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

I don't understand this point of view to be honest because on that basis nothing will ever change, there's a reason the owners and manager can take the mick and that's because the fans allow it, you can't on the one hand turn up on time every match, never voice your disapproval and on the other want the manager out, it doesn't work it's a bit of a contradiction.

For change to happen you need something to happen, as has been mentioned people not turning up for 10 minutes at the start of the match, people not coming to matches, people making their feelings clear throughout the match as a united group.

If anything it's self defeating turning up all the time and on time saying nothing, because if you want change you can pretty much guarantee it won't happen if people do that. At the end of the day the club is all about profit and if the fans put up with it and don't kick up a fuss, why should they bother changing, they're happy and there's nothing putting any pressure for them to do things differently.

But your point is that you Zim don't have to lift a finger, it's all up to other people

Not turning up on time and leaving early has nothing to do with protests, i think it's partly to do with transport infrastructure but it's been going on since we went to the Emirates and it happened at Highbury.

I haven't been to an Arsenal game in over a year. That's how i protest.....but equally i'm not minded to tell other people what they should do with their money and their free time.

[Power n Glory]

But you just did even though it's clear there are ways people can get their message across without going to a protest.

So?.....the protests are outside the ground, if you feel so strongly why don't you just go to the protests

The overall point is, if we want change, we can't continue on as if everything is normal.

[Herbert_Chapman's_Zombie]

But you just did even though it's clear there are ways people can get their message across without going to a protest.



The overall point is, if we want change, we can't continue on as if everything is normal.

No my point is i'm not minded to tell other people what to do, but someone else thinks it's ok to tell other people to do something he's not prepared to do himself

I don't care whether Zim goes to the protests or not, but equally i don't think he should be telling other people what they should or shouldn't be doing when he won't put his money where his mouth is but expects other people to.

And apart from not going to games or complaining on here what exactly are you doing to let people know your displeasure?

[Özim]

So?.....the protests are outside the ground, if you feel so strongly why don't you just go to the protests

Well I'm not there anyway filling up the seats and putting money into their bank accounts, if everyone did that they would soon change. Protests are IMO mostly for those who want to turn up for matches but aren't happy, the alternative (the better one IMO) is to stay away.

[Özim]

But your point is that you Zim don't have to lift a finger, it's all up to other people

Not turning up on time and leaving early has nothing to do with protests, i think it's partly to do with transport infrastructure but it's been going on since we went to the Emirates and it happened at Highbury.

I haven't been to an Arsenal game in over a year. That's how i protest.....but equally i'm not minded to tell other people what they should do with their money and their free time.

I don't turn up, if everyone did that there would soon take notice. I'm not saying people should do this that or the other, but if your intent on going to matches but aren't happy then you have to be vocal about it or make it clear you're not. If you turn up on time for every match and don't make a fuss, why would they bother changing?

You can't want change and then not do anything to precipitate it, if you're not happy you have to do something which may work, i.e not turn up, turn up late, demonstrate, make it clear during matches......just something. What's the point in telling your friend your not happy but then sitting there every game as if nothing is wrong?