Match Reaction v Villa (away).

[selassie]

well i don't agree we can't change it - there's enough clear evidence now for the club's lawyers tp put together a case to clearly show the FA that we get rough treatment and they need to instruct refs to treat us like any other team - preferably spuds who get away with murder.

I see where you are coming from but I personally don't think it will make much of a difference. We see what we see because it is personal to us as supporters of Arsenal. I am not saying that we get treated fairly...but if I am honest I don't pay close attention to other teams, not in the same way I do for Arsenal.

I frequent other teams forums at times to see what their general feelings are towards referees and VAR. I was browsing RAWK (Liverpool Forum) the other day and they were complaining about ref injustices and VAR being harsh on them this season, basically stating they had been robbed on numerous occasions.

Refs and VAR are definitely an issue and I do feel we have been hard done by, but we need to fix our teams performances and results, that would go a long way towards improving our current situation.

[IBK]

Fair enough. Totally understand the need for patience and to examine the context of what’s been going on. My position has always tended to ebb and flow with results but I feel like with Arteta it is the smallest of green shoots and even then I’m struggling to truly believe these shoots exist.

I feel like we’ve been in the wilderness for long enough now that another year doesn’t really matter anyway. We’ve spent like we’re still a CL club but the reality is we’re looking at 5 seasons now without CL football. So that is one mess that needs clearing up and I guess that’s underway by offloading the expensive deadwood.

I’ve always been a glass half empty guy and I guess it’s been difficult accepting such a drop off in standards.

I hear where you are coming from, and like you its hurts me to see how far we have fallen. With Arsenal over recent years it always seems to be the hope that kills you, but I guess I have come to the position that there is only one way for us to get back to where we want to get to given the mess we have made of things. I hope Arteta is the right guy for the slow rebuild we need.

[IBK]

I see where you are coming from but I personally don't think it will make much of a difference. We see what we see because it is personal to us as supporters of Arsenal. I am not saying that we get treated fairly...but if I am honest I don't pay close attention to other teams, not in the same way I do for Arsenal.

I frequent other teams forums at times to see what their general feelings are towards referees and VAR. I was browsing RAWK (Liverpool Forum) the other day and they were complaining about ref injustices and VAR being harsh on them this season, basically stating they had been robbed on numerous occasions.

Refs and VAR are definitely an issue and I do feel we have been hard done by, but we need to fix our teams performances and results, that would go a long way towards improving our current situation.

Yes I can't escape the feeling that we focus on Arsenal injustices and miss those that other fans think they suffer. I do think there is a general idea that Arsenal don't 'like it up em', and this may inform some refereeing decisions, but I'm not sure we are as hard done by comparatively as it seems from an objective perspective. We need to focus on trying to change what we can - and a good start would be for our players not to put themselves in a position where refs have a decision to make...

[Letters]

I'm not too despondent after the last 2 games. Disappointing results, but I thought the performance against Wolves was good, the ref just screwed us.
You could argue we should have been more than 1-0 up when the pel was given but we were dominating and I think we'd have gone on to win.
So you can dismiss that one as a bit of a freak game, especially when Leno had a brainfart.

The Villa game...I only saw the second half and actually thought we played OK. We were a bit toothless up front but Villa defended really well. It was a very good and disciplined performance from them. But I didn't feel we were playing like we did early season where we were struggling to make even half chances, there were a lot of last ditch tackles which thwarted us. So I'm a bit more upbeat than I was. An issue is we have a tough run coming up which could continue the loss of momentum.

I'm undecided about Arteta but we might as well stick with him now. We're not going down, we're not going to trouble the top 4 either but bringing someone in now isn't going to change that.

[Bumble]

I'm undecided about Arteta but we might as well stick with him now. We're not going down, we're not going to trouble the top 4 either but bringing someone in now isn't going to change that.

yeah a new manager wont change where we finish particularly, although it might give them room to assess the squad before the summer because there is no risk to make a change now. It could give them time to bed in. I don't think Arteta is right the job, like Lampard the lack of experience is really telling when chasing a game, tactics and substitutions. Lampard got the boot and Chelsea are winning again.

however, I think give him to about October/November time to see where we are at. If there is no noticeable improvement in results and league position then it would be time to go.

[Chippy]

The depressing thing for me on Saturday was that we went 1-0 down after just 2 minutes, I just knew we wouldn't get anything out of the game.

We have some good young players and we should get better. However, is Arteta the man to get the best out of them and turn our fortunes around? Personally, I just don't think so

* Why does Arteta continue with Luiz, Bellerin, Lacazette, and Willian?
* Why is Saliba still out on loan when he once again got MOTM for Nice at the weekend? (3-0 win).
* Guendouzi is also catching the eye of the Berlin and European press with his performances for Hertha.

Arteta has his obvious favorites, this is why I say "rookie out"!

Terrible commenting on your own post, however, I see that Saliba (mentioned above) has had a moan today about Arteta and why he has not been allowed to stay and play for us.

Cant blame him really, especially as Luiz is in front of him in the pecking order. I just hope he doesn't demand a transfer.

[Mac76]

so, let's see


so far Arteta has managed to publically annoy players like Guen, Ozil and Saliba, the latter of whom was supposed to be an incredibly exciting prosepect when we signed him but has now been alienated to the point where he's basically happy to burn his bridges in public

also he has allegedly annoyed Nelson by freezing him out and playing Willian instead (i believe that's called adding insult to injury)

i think it's safe to say this is definitely an area where Arteta needs to develop his skills

[Chippy]

so, let's see


so far Arteta has managed to publically annoy players like Guen, Ozil and Saliba, the latter of whom was supposed to be an incredibly exciting prosepect when we signed him but has now been alienated to the point where he's basically happy to burn his bridges in public

also he has allegedly annoyed Nelson by freezing him out and playing Willian instead (i believe that's called adding insult to injury)

i think it's safe to say this is definitely an area where Arteta needs to develop his skills

Guendouzi was the the worst one for me.

Unless we are unaware of any other issue, he was basically thrown out because he showed some passion after we lost to Brighton?

What does he want? Someone like Xhaka who has a laugh and a joke with the opposition after a defeat? FFS.

[IBK]

Guendouzi was the the worst one for me.

Unless we are unaware of any other issue, he was basically thrown out because he showed some passion after we lost to Brighton?

What does he want? Someone like Xhaka who has a laugh and a joke with the opposition after a defeat? FFS.

I think that's a bit harsh. We will never know the full story, but it seems like Guendouzi's attitute was not what we want to see from a young player. From what we saw, he is no Saka Martinelli or ESR, but has an arrogance that these better players don't have.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...g-27m-23321679

Its not like he was ever more than a decent prospect when he played for us, and I don't have an issue with Arteta's approach to him.

Xhaka has been one of our best players since Xmas. Ozil was tried and rejected by 3 managers and is now playing for Fenerbahce.

Saliba was a cock up - but there isn't a single manager out there who hasn't made a mistake with certain players. I will wait to see whether Arteta is man enough to try to repair that relationship.

Willian is what I will beat our manager up for. Worst signing I can remember.

[selassie]

I think that's a bit harsh. We will never know the full story, but it seems like Guendouzi's attitute was not what we want to see from a young player. From what we saw, he is no Saka Martinelli or ESR, but has an arrogance that these better players don't have.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footb...g-27m-23321679

Its not like he was ever more than a decent prospect when he played for us, and I don't have an issue with Arteta's approach to him.

Xhaka has been one of our best players since Xmas. Ozil was tried and rejected by 3 managers and is now playing for Fenerbahce.

Saliba was a cock up - but there isn't a single manager out there who hasn't made a mistake with certain players. I will wait to see whether Arteta is man enough to try to repair that relationship.

Willian is what I will beat our manager up for. Worst signing I can remember.

I totally agree with this. I honestly don't see what the fuss is about with Guendouzi, he can't even get regular starts for Hertha Berlin and they are halfway down Bundesliga. He is no more than a good young player, nothing special and certainly not in the same potential level bracket as Saka, ESR or Martinelli.

Guendouzi seems to have an attitude that doesn't match his talent or performance level, he really is not that good.

Xhaka is also a much better player than him, especially given his current form which is the best I have seen from him in an Arsenal shirt and on a consistent basis. I'm no fan of Xhaka, but credit where credit is due, his current form is very good.