Luis Suarez thread

[Master Splinter]

As much as i loathe the party line pulling Arseblog - a very good extract from a piece:

What you, and others who are making this accusation, fail to realise is that not one person on here (as far as I have seen) has excused Suarez's actions or defended him. Everyone knows he's a revolting piece of utter scum.

When NQ says he finds there are more heinous crimes worth zoning in on than Suarez's racism, he's not excusing him.

When me, MO, or Cripps says he's an excellent player, we're not defending him.

Just because we say one thing, it doesn't mean it infers the other. It's quite simple.

[Master Splinter]

Right on there Sir, but some aspects cant just be ignored because of it.

I hate to come all NQ over you, but why not? Awful shit in life is overlooked all the time. Why is awful shit in football of more importance? If anything, I'd say 'controversial' incidents in football are as trivial as you can get. Especially as what we're discussing is basically a silly 90-minute kick about between stupid, rich, slightly taller and bulkier schoolchildren, backed by an even stupider baying crowd of tribal saps.

[LDG]

https://twitter.com/Bilz_Girolski/st...27604457246720

[Niall_Quinn]

https://twitter.com/Bilz_Girolski/st...27604457246720

He said smoking, not injecting.

[JonasTC]

Will you guys stop portraiting him as a rascist psychopath? Its fucking crazy and blown out of proportion. The way you do it, you could portrait most footballers as psychopaths, its just ridiculous. Im not defending him because he may or may not be our player soon, but its not fair treating a person like this, especially based on a "his word against my word" case.

[server too busy!]

Surely just because he made a racist comment doesn't mean he hates people of other races does it...which is surely the very definition of a racist. Much like JT, how could he be a racist but his best mate is Ashley Cole for example?

People make comments based on people's differences to further add insult...if someone is fat call them a fat ****, ginger...ginger **** etc. Doesn't mean you hate them because of these features.

I'm not saying he's not a racist as we don't really know that, but I don't think it means he is one either.

[Gooner23]

Like you say its difficult to say definitively. Personally I don't think he's racist, just a bit thick (like most players).

What I really can't stand about him is his on-field antics i.e throwing himself around, constantly gesticulating to the ref and lino's. But ultimately he is a world class striker, and being a typically fickle fan I'm sure I would forgive him for that!

[Power n Glory]

As much as i loathe the party line pulling Arseblog - a very good extract from a piece:

But what I find most dismaying is the revisionism that’s gone on since our interest has become public knowledge. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans defending him when he was banned for 8 games for the Evra incident. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans saying that biting somebody isn’t really that bad when you think about. I don’t remember too many Arsenal fans who said anything other than Suarez, for all his talent on the field, was a pretty despicable person whose antics, cheating and nasty play made him one of the most loathed characters in the game.

Yet now, people are falling over themselves to make excuses for him. Like the Liverpool fans everyone so roundly mocked because of their deep understanding of South American Spanish and in the intricacies of the use of the word ‘negro’, some Arsenal fans are now cunning, expert linguists. They know what he said, how he said it, what it means on the streets of Uruguay, and look, Evra is a twat anyway so it doesn’t really matter.

Bang on the money - especially about the Evra is a twat

Revisionism.

[She Wore A Yellow Ribbon]

Surely just because he made a racist comment doesn't mean he hates people of other races does it...which is surely the very definition of a racist. Much like JT, how could he be a racist but his best mate is Ashley Cole for example?

People make comments based on people's differences to further add insult...if someone is fat call them a fat ****, ginger...ginger **** etc. Doesn't mean you hate them because of these features.

I'm not saying he's not a racist as we don't really know that, but I don't think it means he is one either.

i think an important element here is the culture. if he called evra a negro instead of a n****r then it can be viewed as 'more' acceptable because of ideological and cultural differences relating to the value system he was bought up in. south americans are typically accustomed to referring black people as 'negros', it's like when we say 'hey mate', they say 'hey negro'. in that sense i dont think he's racist. he is just accustomed to a different value system compared to the european one we have been bought up in.

but i do recall him saying a few things that clearly overstepped the mark i.e. when evra said 'why are you acting like this' he said 'because you're black', or something along those lines. that clearly oversteps the boundary. but in a sick twisted way, again, i guess it's 'more' acceptable in his eyes because he was raised in a culture and value system where it's okay to (perhaps) devalue people of certain races. the ideological difference between europe and south america is huge. here everyone is automatically equal, but perhaps not over there.

having said that, he lived in holland for a number of years and surely knows it was a boundary too far.

and linking it into terry's case, i think terry's incident was much worse. he said the actual N word caught live on camera and has been bought up in a european country based on european values. he has no cultural excuse.

EDIT: and as some have pointed out, education played a massive part. footballers are thick as shit.

[KSE Comedy Club]

Fuck me this shit is getting old/tiresome.

Yes Suarez is a **** but he become our **** soon and if he can score 30 a season it could mean we win something.

So fuck it, I'm passed caring tbh.